Ya know the real problem I think everyone has with all of these NWO ideas...
the fact that these same people who want to carry out the NWO have been running the Old World Order aswell
and I ean I guess since they really are doing such a bang up job we should just go with their flow of things and hope for the best right?
I find that as a world we do need Unity...but not the elitist unity...
I'm sorry but the illuminati or whatever you wanna call them dont have one intrest of ours at heart...
So once TPTB start doing something positive....wait...once they make up for all the horrid atrosicties occured through them..then we can work on a
basis of creating a real evolution in humanity for the REAL highest good
but then again how would you really decide on that with so many perspectives of it..
The NWO has a point, page 2
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reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:36 AM by asafum08
reply to post by chise61
I am only trying my best to draw logic and reason out of the negative that emits from this "Elitist" agenda. Take the word itself, elite: The best or most skilled members of a group. Wouldn't you want to consider yourself to be offspring of this group? Even if not, due to whatever adversity to the word, wouldn't you want humanity to thrive off of the most moral and intellectually profound of our kind?
I am only trying my best to draw logic and reason out of the negative that emits from this "Elitist" agenda. Take the word itself, elite: The best or most skilled members of a group. Wouldn't you want to consider yourself to be offspring of this group? Even if not, due to whatever adversity to the word, wouldn't you want humanity to thrive off of the most moral and intellectually profound of our kind?
reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:40 AM by asafum08
reply to post by Akoostikreiki
your opinion is more or less where i am coming from as well, i just hope that the direction we are headed in is beneficial to our species.
I am not giving up on my opinion after this post, i just have to rest for my sisters graduation in 3 hours hahaha, so please continue without my attendance for now as i see this matter as a very important matter in the times to come.
your opinion is more or less where i am coming from as well, i just hope that the direction we are headed in is beneficial to our species.
I am not giving up on my opinion after this post, i just have to rest for my sisters graduation in 3 hours hahaha, so please continue without my attendance for now as i see this matter as a very important matter in the times to come.
reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:44 AM by asafum08
reply to post by James Random
your model is logical but does not apply to such a large scale. image holding that same argument for 6 billion people, 5 or 4 of which (billion, and of course which are not factually backed up by exact numbers but you can assume are mostly for the current agenda,-(otherwise we would have forced a change)- or believe their outlook on life is right) again goodnight for now i hope to continue this in a few hours.
your model is logical but does not apply to such a large scale. image holding that same argument for 6 billion people, 5 or 4 of which (billion, and of course which are not factually backed up by exact numbers but you can assume are mostly for the current agenda,-(otherwise we would have forced a change)- or believe their outlook on life is right) again goodnight for now i hope to continue this in a few hours.
reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 04:53 AM by Ridhya
reply to post by asafum08
Good luck to you on your search, you will find far more questions than answers.
I dont really want to explain the novel because I will leave out important things, I urge you GO READ IT!
What I was referencing is a novel that is basically an NWO wet dream, where people are not born they are bred, and bred for a purpose. Genes are manipulated and the raising process of babies varies based on that purpose. Some are deliberately dumbed down by being dropped on the head or whatever and others are given only engineering knowledge, or means to work the machines that breed the people. Human becomes more of a system than an organism.
Everything is highly structured and people are kept dumb with Soma Drops, a drug which keeps the population content and dumb with no harmful side effects (other than submission, really).
The leaders have created a utopia. Perfect for who though?
I also suggest read 1984 by George Orwell.
These guidestones sound alright EXCEPT for the way they obtain the results, I mean how do we get 500, million out of 6 billion...?
How do we force people to be peaceful and accept their values...?
And most important, who is running everything...?
Who does it now? The same people who put hormones in your beef, fluoride in your water, propaganda in the media, tell you one group is the 'enemy' one year and someone completely different the next, put you in debt slavery by interest, get rich off of worthless paper through banking, keep Africa in perpetual debt, tell you you're not pretty enough in the magazine, tell you you're not cool if you dont drink our beer, if you're different from the masses, you are an outcast!
In short, the NWO ideals are exactly like COMMUNISM, the most perfect ideals in the world, hijacked by selfish greedy assholes who care not for you or me.
Good luck to you on your search, you will find far more questions than answers.
I dont really want to explain the novel because I will leave out important things, I urge you GO READ IT!
What I was referencing is a novel that is basically an NWO wet dream, where people are not born they are bred, and bred for a purpose. Genes are manipulated and the raising process of babies varies based on that purpose. Some are deliberately dumbed down by being dropped on the head or whatever and others are given only engineering knowledge, or means to work the machines that breed the people. Human becomes more of a system than an organism.
Everything is highly structured and people are kept dumb with Soma Drops, a drug which keeps the population content and dumb with no harmful side effects (other than submission, really).
The leaders have created a utopia. Perfect for who though?
I also suggest read 1984 by George Orwell.
These guidestones sound alright EXCEPT for the way they obtain the results, I mean how do we get 500, million out of 6 billion...?
How do we force people to be peaceful and accept their values...?
And most important, who is running everything...?
Who does it now? The same people who put hormones in your beef, fluoride in your water, propaganda in the media, tell you one group is the 'enemy' one year and someone completely different the next, put you in debt slavery by interest, get rich off of worthless paper through banking, keep Africa in perpetual debt, tell you you're not pretty enough in the magazine, tell you you're not cool if you dont drink our beer, if you're different from the masses, you are an outcast!
In short, the NWO ideals are exactly like COMMUNISM, the most perfect ideals in the world, hijacked by selfish greedy assholes who care not for you or me.
reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 06:56 AM by Edrick
Originally posted by asafum08
reply to post by Edrick
1 & 2 So you are suggesting that we revert back to a form of segregation? Whether it be male/female black/white/ human/alien?
Don't get your panties into a bunch.
Men and women are different, if you are unaware of this Demonstrable FACT, then perhaps you need to go back to school.
Boys and girls learn in different ways, where boys are more visual learners, and girls are more linguistic learners.
Boys and girls also prove to be DISTRACTING to each other in an institution whose primary purpose is to TEACH them, as opposed to mixing them for social interaction.
In a single sex classroom, you would have superior educational efficiency, due to the reduced HORMONAL distractions that would come into play when you have a MIXED GENDER, PUBESCENT GROUP of humans, and are trying to gt them to pay attention to the lesson plan, instead of each other.
3. The Internet is helping individuals learn other languages, but does not define a universal language. I do not pretend to know what would be the proper language, i only host the idea that 1 language would be preferable English or not.
The universal language will be a separate dialect whose increased usage throughout the globe will naturally evolve into a universally spoken language.
This is the Field of Linguistics, that of emergent dialects, and dialectic drift to form a new derivative language.
4.Faith and tradition have hurt many for all of our history, it proves to be our most prominent obstacle of today and if you refuse this then i implore you look no further than our religious wars.
You must have missed the part where I said "As long as it hurts no other"
5. Your response is just negative opinion.
Yes.... but I *DID* wish him luck...
6. Again, i do not pretend to have every answer, but i would assume that a world court would have members of every nation and its jurisdiction would cover all international affairs.
Like the UN? yeah, tell me how well THAT works.
Seems like they only have as much clout as the most militarily advanced nations are willing to bring to bear in situations that benefit themselves.
7. ties in with shared duty to govern their fellow brethren.
???
8. No, People hate paying taxes they do not understand. Serving in a position that benefits society without a title that would grant you power over any individual can only advance a civilization.
You mean slavery?
9.why not? because of our lack of understanding of what happens after death?
What is beauty, what is truth, what is love.
Can you define those terms in a Legal framework?
Can you make that Legal definition include EVERYONE'S belief of what those things ARE?
You cannot make this a law because they are abstract concepts that can neither be satisfactorily defined, Nor Proven False.
Keep it out of a court of law, is all I am saying.
-Edrick
reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 07:18 AM by XXXN3O
Originally posted by asafum08
The NWO has a point
.(visit the link for the full news article)
Well that was certainly a point quite literally! Only joking
On a serious note, the NWO would be a great thing in my eyes if it were free of corruption.
When a group labels coverups, lies, propoganda and manipulation as progress.
That worries me.
Yeah they might have a point in the end. Get it, point = .
Thats about it though.
reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 10:39 AM by asafum08
reply to post by Edrick
With regards to distraction i can agree, but to leave those who exist today there would be a HUGE number of people still following the mantra "I am the most important thing out there so # you all." We all can see here in America (at least NY and Florida as i have seen...) and unfortunately it seems to be the Nurture side of Nature vs. Nurture which effects that for the most part.
3. I'm not sure you are disagreeing with me, so I will leave your statement as an elaboration of mine.
4. as long as there are multiple origins of faith there will be conflict as to who's is right seeing as they all claim to have the answer to creationism.
6. The UN only fails with the fact that it was formed with the intent to be a framework for the "Globalist agenda" NWO or w/e. The idea is still a viable one.
7. looking back i'm not quite sure how that was a response to you either lol
8. No not slavery, for it would benefit all, i guess it would be a form of socialism and as stated before i have not prepared the blueprints for the ideal civilization rather i try to see how their idea can work.
9. This is not a law, rather a desirable action to wards these most important aspects of life. Beauty being a reflection of moral or wholeness of a person, symmetry of being (visual color or context of structure) A feeling of happiness given by taking in and reflecting on what is perceived to be now beautiful. Truth, being fact, any definition of truth should be consistent as the word means not false. Love of course is difficult to explain, but could be considered a deep respect, longing to protect and care for any individual or object as if it were part of your own being.
With regards to distraction i can agree, but to leave those who exist today there would be a HUGE number of people still following the mantra "I am the most important thing out there so # you all." We all can see here in America (at least NY and Florida as i have seen...) and unfortunately it seems to be the Nurture side of Nature vs. Nurture which effects that for the most part.
3. I'm not sure you are disagreeing with me, so I will leave your statement as an elaboration of mine.
4. as long as there are multiple origins of faith there will be conflict as to who's is right seeing as they all claim to have the answer to creationism.
6. The UN only fails with the fact that it was formed with the intent to be a framework for the "Globalist agenda" NWO or w/e. The idea is still a viable one.
7. looking back i'm not quite sure how that was a response to you either lol
8. No not slavery, for it would benefit all, i guess it would be a form of socialism and as stated before i have not prepared the blueprints for the ideal civilization rather i try to see how their idea can work.
9. This is not a law, rather a desirable action to wards these most important aspects of life. Beauty being a reflection of moral or wholeness of a person, symmetry of being (visual color or context of structure) A feeling of happiness given by taking in and reflecting on what is perceived to be now beautiful. Truth, being fact, any definition of truth should be consistent as the word means not false. Love of course is difficult to explain, but could be considered a deep respect, longing to protect and care for any individual or object as if it were part of your own being.
reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 02:54 AM by chise61
reply to post by asafum08
1-Regardless of the fact of reincarnation giving us another chance at living our life, nobody has the right to decide who lives and who dies, not ever.
2-You would still need someone to decide just which traits are the desirable ones, who would that be ? Yes but altruism is basically a character trait, is it inherited genetically, or is it learned through enviroment ?
3-The point is not whether or not i will be ALLOWED to know English, the point is that no one has the right to FORCE me to learn another langauge.
5- So the question is who will make these decisions ?
6-What does that mean "weed us out by family " ? The UN can't keep their nose where it belongs now, what makes you think a world court could do it ?
8- I don't expect a response to what i put in. I put in what i put in (of my free time) because i choose to do so, not for what i can get back, as it should be. Nobody, and i mean Nobody has the right to tell anybody what to do with their time. We are free beings, with free will as was intended.
1-Regardless of the fact of reincarnation giving us another chance at living our life, nobody has the right to decide who lives and who dies, not ever.
2-You would still need someone to decide just which traits are the desirable ones, who would that be ? Yes but altruism is basically a character trait, is it inherited genetically, or is it learned through enviroment ?
3-The point is not whether or not i will be ALLOWED to know English, the point is that no one has the right to FORCE me to learn another langauge.
5- So the question is who will make these decisions ?
6-What does that mean "weed us out by family " ? The UN can't keep their nose where it belongs now, what makes you think a world court could do it ?
8- I don't expect a response to what i put in. I put in what i put in (of my free time) because i choose to do so, not for what i can get back, as it should be. Nobody, and i mean Nobody has the right to tell anybody what to do with their time. We are free beings, with free will as was intended.
reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 03:07 AM by chise61
reply to post by asafum08
You may want to do some deep serious research into the morals and profound intellect of these elitest that you agree with
They would have to be humane in order for humanity to thrive off of them. They care not for the survival of humanity, they care only for the survival of themselves, and those that make it possible for them to survive.
You may want to do some deep serious research into the morals and profound intellect of these elitest that you agree with
They would have to be humane in order for humanity to thrive off of them. They care not for the survival of humanity, they care only for the survival of themselves, and those that make it possible for them to survive.
reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 03:20 AM by chise61
reply to post by asafum08
Are you insane ??? Do you actually believe that anyone has the right to have power over another individual ? Do you actually believe that someone in that position would not be corrupt ??? They would have to be corrupt to take a position like that in the first place. People should have power over themselves and their own lives and that's all.
Serving in a position that benefits society without a title that would grant you power over any individual can only advance a civilization.
Are you insane ??? Do you actually believe that anyone has the right to have power over another individual ? Do you actually believe that someone in that position would not be corrupt ??? They would have to be corrupt to take a position like that in the first place. People should have power over themselves and their own lives and that's all.
reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 03:41 AM by chise61
reply to post by asafum08
So now you're advocating a single world religion ??? And whom may i ask gets to decide what religion is the correct religion ? And what about atheists, would they be forced to believe in this religion ?
Do you have any idea that for some people, to force someone to follow any religion than their own would be asking them to commit spiritual suicide. Dude you walk a thin line when you start attempting to mess with people's faith.
I hate to burst your bubble, but religion is not, never has been, and never will be the source of all conflicts between humans. There always has been and always will be conflict between humans, it's just human nature.
OK you want genetic modification, we all have to speak one langauge, we're to be governed by a world court, there will be a person, or people that will have power over us, and we all must follow one religion, i think i forgot a couple but that's ok. I have a question, in your perfect little world are we allowed to have anything for the individual, anything that is truely ours ?
4. as long as there are multiple origins of faith there will be conflict as to who's is right seeing as they all claim to have the answer to creationism.
So now you're advocating a single world religion ??? And whom may i ask gets to decide what religion is the correct religion ? And what about atheists, would they be forced to believe in this religion ?
Do you have any idea that for some people, to force someone to follow any religion than their own would be asking them to commit spiritual suicide. Dude you walk a thin line when you start attempting to mess with people's faith.
I hate to burst your bubble, but religion is not, never has been, and never will be the source of all conflicts between humans. There always has been and always will be conflict between humans, it's just human nature.
OK you want genetic modification, we all have to speak one langauge, we're to be governed by a world court, there will be a person, or people that will have power over us, and we all must follow one religion, i think i forgot a couple but that's ok. I have a question, in your perfect little world are we allowed to have anything for the individual, anything that is truely ours ?
reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 10:07 AM by watchtheashes
reply to post by asafum08
The New World Order does not have a point at all and they are nothing but evil. Think about what you just said. The wheat will be separated from the chaff in the end of time anyway.
The New World Order does not have a point at all and they are nothing but evil. Think about what you just said. The wheat will be separated from the chaff in the end of time anyway.
reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 05:31 PM by resistor
Originally posted by asafum08
reply to post by Ridhya
no i have not, would you mind giving me a synopsis? without sarcasm, honestly that is why i am here, i only look for answers.
Here you go, but please, read the book. www.sparknotes.com...
Read Orwell's 1984 as well. Then do a search on eugenics. Then crack a history book, and you might figure out that the mega-rich are inbred, paranoid occultists who feel the need to periodically wipe out masses of the very people that they leach off of. (They fear us pathologically, and for good reason) You are currently caught up in one of their mind games. Or perhaps you're in their employ?
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