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The True Origins of Human Beings


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reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 02:04 AM by misfitoy


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Thanks for the links you've listed. It has been interesting going over the material. Zecharia Sitchin manages to blend different beliefs together (bible verses, early hominids, technology) all in a plausible way.

While it does take a bit of an open mind, I find the theory a worthwhile consideration. Thanks for sharing it.



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reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 07:12 AM by Dumbfirefly



Starting with the Sumerians [...] every culture accepted for a fact that heavenly beings (Or Gods) had created Man kind - homosapiens- Some coincidence to be a "myth".



This is deceptive; subsequent cultures proliferated the same ideas simply because they borrowed from each other and borrowed from the belief systems before. Christianity does this with the various sun-god stories about virgin births, sacrifice and resurrection. They all follow the same pattern simply because cultures are borne of those beforehand. Non-coincidental indeed.

At any rate, a popular belief DOES NOT constitute a correct or accurate one. Neither does a historically older one.



Evolution cannot account for the appearance of *Homo sapiens*, which happened virtually overnight instead of the millions of years evolution requires



Evolutionary theory can account for the appearance of Homo Sapiens. The rate of speciation within a genus does not necessarily take millions of years; it depends on the rate of mutation, the rate of selection, environmental changes and competiton. As such, it does not follow a timetable; evolution does not plan ahead.

At any rate, the genus Homo appeared about 2 million years ago (as I recall, anyway), of which Homo Sapiens is only one of many (now extinct) species. There are known species that emerged after Erectus and before Sapiens, including H. Floresiensis, H. Heidelbergensis and H. Neanderthalensis - which shows, if anything, that the rate of speciation was pretty explosive.



with no evidence of earlier stages that would indicate a gradual change from *Homo erectus*



The assumption that H.Sapiens evolved from H.Erectus is one of two main rivalling theories. The dominant theory right now, as I understand it, is that H.Sapiens speciated in Africa and subsequently replaced H.Erectus and H.Neanderthalensis. The model you appear to work from is one that states H.Sapiens evolved from an existing widespread species, in this case H.Erectus.

Since there isn't much fossil evidence to say if this is true, it is worth noting that studies of mitochondrial (maternal) DNA and Y-chromosome (paternal) DNA both appear to support a more recent emergence of H.Sapiens in Africa. This still states that H.Sapiens is a recent event, as you mentioned, but nobody else sees this as a problem, because evolution isn't stuck to a timetable. It is accepted that we are a young species.



He appeared inexplicably some 300,000 years ago, millions of years too soon.



Again, I question where you are getting your evolutionary timetable from. Too soon? Says who?



The scholars have no explanation. The Sumerians and Babylonian texts do, the Old Testament does. *Homo sapiens*-- modern man-- was brought about by the ancient gods



You question the emergence of H.Sapiens based on a lack of fossil evidence showing gradual changes from H.Erectus - but you are willing to accept that an ancient civilization used a "God of the Gaps" argument with no other evidence than Sumerian mythology and stories? This galls me somewhat.



Former CIA official Victor Marchetti spelled out indirectly in 1979 "We have, indeed, been contacted......and the U.S. government, in collusion with other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public".



This is irrelevant to human evolution, and you have presented this erroneous item to support an equally erroneous assumption:



The ancient accounts tell us that these hybrid bloodlines, the fusion of the genes of selected humans with those of the "gods", were put into the positions of ruling royal power,
"God" are the aliens



You have no evidence for this claim, and it is not the product of any obvious logical progression. To conclude, evolution is the best supported explanation of H.Sapiens we have so far.



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reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 04:39 PM by ButterCookie


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You are right on!!

I have been trying to explain this theory and some catch on, most don't...

They don't want to catch on because it 'messes with their religion'.

We are CLONES of our alien ancesters (Annunaki) and the apes that roamed here. That is the story of Genensis....The Sumerians tell a true account, however they could only assume that the 'gods' (Annunaki) created Heaven and Earth because that's all they knew to exist at the time and they found out that mankind came from them, and presumbly everything else as well.

'God' is just a term, a noun, to describe the Annunaki scientist that decided to clone us in the Annunaki image:

" Let US make mankind in OUR image, according to OUR likings.."



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reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 07:25 PM by The Matrix Traveller


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There are two involved...

a. The Observer...

b. The Observed...


So there are three Components to myself.

the Observer.... My Entity which perhaps we could call the LIFE force or perhaps we could call it Awareness, Consciousness, or Mind (not Human)

The Observed being my Body, Earth and Universe and other universes and worlds unlike universes.

And thirdly the System, (processing System) I experience the world through...

I presume you are relating to that which is being experienced called the body, flesh or humankind ???

But to understand the source or origin of the human body, then you have to take into account the other Two Components...

The origin of a character on say seen on TV does Not come from the TV, but through that Processing System involving TV.

So in the case of the World or Universe, the Origin of the human or any other species, is Not of the Universe, but through what, produces that experience, called the Universe.

No I am not referring to a god, of human invention, but rather something, that has produced both the mechanics, and the rules or Laws of physics etc. involved in the mechanics of the Universe.

And also what has produced the manifestation of the Universe, both as it is experienced, as well as what produces that experience!



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