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US withdrawal from Iraqi cities a carefully crafted ploy?

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posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:24 AM
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No offense but everything you write just seems like something taken out of a generic Anti-American troll play book.

Everything the US does is BAD
Everything anybody else does is GOOD

Dont you see how retarded it sounds?




posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Not really.

Just realize that all the strife, suffering, violence and trouble that is soon coming upon America will all be created by Americans.

You will have done it all to yourselves.

The rest of us foreigners can just sit back in absolute awe, and watch America very violently self destruct.






i agree with you ,sir . USA will self-destruct in a mater of within a decade , when the economic collapse hits full force




You will never read that in trhe US press, but it is true.


both of us know that american press is corporate owned and a lapdog of the american govt to spread lies and corporate propaganda



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow


One amazing feature is that a lot of the food we supply goes straight to the insurgents. So in a way, Australia is helping to kill Americans in Iraq by feeding and supplying medical supplies to your enemy.




If that's true then according to your ignorant logic you're helping kill innocent women and children


US troops leave anxious Iraqi cities

A bomb had gone off in one of its busy street markets, which spring alive at dusk, as the searing daytime temperature starts to drop.

Scores of people were killed, maybe 80 or 90 by the time some of the badly wounded have died.

There was an outburst of spontaneous anger from the survivors. "Why isn't the Iraqi Army protecting us?" they shouted, throwing rocks at the security forces.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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All this talk of collapse and yet no one realizes all the good we have done for the world. Many of you people that are overly critical of the US would be speaking Russian, Japanese, or German right now. No one is saying the US perfect because they are not, however, every country has crimes of the past.

To get back on topic I can assure you that it is highly unlikely that the US will completely leave Iraq in the future. As I stated earlier, Iraq, is to strategically important right now. In terms of the economy, yes the US is in the dumps right now but so are many other countries. All this talk of dollar dumping could have catastrophic affects on the global economy because the US is so connected to the world economy through trade and business. It wont be a hiccup that is for sure and it will be very devastating.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Jakes51
All this talk of collapse and yet no one realizes all the good we have done for the world. Many of you people that are overly critical of the US would be speaking Russian, Japanese, or German right now. No one is saying the US perfect because they are not, however, every country has crimes of the past.

To get back on topic I can assure you that it is highly unlikely that the US will completely leave Iraq in the future. As I stated earlier, Iraq, is to strategically important right now. In terms of the economy, yes the US is in the dumps right now but so are many other countries. All this talk of dollar dumping could have catastrophic affects on the global economy because the US is so connected to the world economy through trade and business. It wont be a hiccup that is for sure and it will be very devastating.




Many of you people that are overly critical of the US would be speaking Russian, Japanese, or German right now.

so , we,the urban world are speaking the anglo-saxon lang. English
. what difference does it make ?




In terms of the economy, yes the US is in the dumps right now but so are many other countries.


well, the western antions are , but not China ,india or Russia is in such severe crisis , though Russia will suffer from the recession for 2009 .



yet no one realizes all the good we have done for the world.

but this 'good' was attached with strings to it . hell , even the soviets did such 'good' a lot(more than USA)



All this talk of dollar dumping could have catastrophic affects on the global economy because the US is so connected to the world economy through trade and business. It wont be a hiccup that is for sure and it will be very devastating.


for west yes , for China no, for russia and india , partially yes

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posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Kombatt98

Originally posted by Jakes51
All this talk of collapse and yet no one realizes all the good we have done for the world. Many of you people that are overly critical of the US would be speaking Russian, Japanese, or German right now. No one is saying the US perfect because they are not, however, every country has crimes of the past.

To get back on topic I can assure you that it is highly unlikely that the US will completely leave Iraq in the future. As I stated earlier, Iraq, is to strategically important right now. In terms of the economy, yes the US is in the dumps right now but so are many other countries. All this talk of dollar dumping could have catastrophic affects on the global economy because the US is so connected to the world economy through trade and business. It wont be a hiccup that is for sure and it will be very devastating.




Many of you people that are overly critical of the US would be speaking Russian, Japanese, or German right now.

so , we,the urban world are speaking the anglo-saxon lang. English
. what difference does it make ?




In terms of the economy, yes the US is in the dumps right now but so are many other countries.


well, the western antions are , but not China ,india or Russia is in such severe crisis , though Russia will suffer from the recession for 2009 .


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In my previous post I was referencing the allied victory over the Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan which threatened the world 60 years ago. The Russian reference is in regards to the US outlasting the Soviet Union and ultimately toppling the juggernaut of the east last decade.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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As you probably know, there is little or no functioning agriculture in Iraq. Everything must be shipped in by road, mainly up from the gulf. That applies to the US military as well as the whole Iraqi population.

Everyone, US, civilians, and insurgents need to eat.

The food is trucked in mainly by international aid agencies, Australians were escorting these food convoys, mainly to prevent black market theft.
The insurgents never attack these convoys because they know we are bringing them their dinner.... They will get their share when the convoys are unloaded at their final destination.

Those road supply routes are vital for everyone, but especially for the US military.

The convoy routes will be the first thing to go if Iran is bombed.
Iran will cut the supply lines to the 150,000 US military. No food, no fuel, no water, no retreat.

That is why Iran has not been bombed, the guys in the Pentagon know all this. And why Israel also must not be allowed to bomb Iran.

There is no possible chance for any type of victory for America in Iraq, just a huge and growing risk that the entire US force trapped in Iraq will be cut off and then massacred.

The 1.5 million murdered and tortured Iraqis still have family, relatives, and friends alive, and they would LOVE to get their hands on some US prisoners of war for vengeance.

Trust me, Iran and Iraq have the power to isolate and then totally destroy the entire US military force in Iraq. Without food, fuel, or ammo they will not last long in the desert.

The Pentagon run their computer simulations, and it looks very bad indeed. That is why Obama wants out of there. Not because of any victory.

At the very best it will look like what it is, a huge military and political failure and retreat.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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so was i referencing to that , if either had won, it would have been their imperial domination , like how USa has imperial domination over the world , due to which it is able to rape the third world of its resources

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posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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You brought up some very good points in the last post. I was unaware about that logistical bottle neck that you mentioned. Could you post any links about it so that I can take a look at the evidence.

If what you say is true, then yes; locking down the real estate in Iraq would be difficult for the US. However, I think Obama is just telling us what we want to hear in terms of complete withdrawal by the stated deadline a few years from now. Again, it makes sense for the US to let violence increase in Iraq so we can remain there longer than expected.

I know my theory is harsh and cold but I think that is what the war-mongers in government have planned. The Iraqi security forces are in no shape to quell a nationwide insurgency. Again their training has been sub-par and have barely any combat equipment.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 08:12 AM
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Don't get me wrong I have stated that the US has skeletons in the closet and some of our foreign policy decisions are less to be desired. We have fallen off the path of what we were after the Revolutionary War when President George Washington urged his descendants to beware of foreign entanglements. He couldn't have been more prophetic.

However in this day age America has become a silent empire but as such they can either conduct business and war justly or with a heavy hand. I don't see the US relinquishing their gains abroad anytime soon but it will happen sooner or later if the economy keeps getting worst.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 08:13 AM
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Google should find you much information.

The problem with Iraq is that there is nowhere safe to retreat to.
The only exit point out of Iraq is south via the Gulf.

But Iran can cut that off too, by closing the straits of Hormuz.

It is a military death trap that can be sprung shut at any moment..



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