New Pentagon Video Detailing Actual Flight Path Over Naval Annex

reply to post by discombobulator

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I was quoting you.

YOU said that and falsely attributed it to me WITHOUT quoting me.

Are you now suggesting that you weren't attributing those claims to me?

If so then who were you attributing them to?

I so long for the day that Craig's ramblings end up in a court of law....just to see the humiliation that would be rained on him. Even better to find out he was the one that has caused my buddies to have changed their phone numbers a half dozen times or so in the last 8 years because of the harassment they get from "truthers".

Of course, even better would be for people to wake up and understand that so much of what gets posted about the subject...is like arguing if the fire started at the rear of the Hindenburg or at the front of it.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

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It will never get that far.

It is too silly.

[edit on 2-7-2009 by Reheat]

Click here to learn more about this warning.

The best information I have seen on this was a series of articels published in Aviation Week June 3 ,June 10 and september 9 2002 I was only able to find the third part of the series.

Link

If this is the kind of information you are looking for then I will try to find the other two articels. What I would suggest is start a seperate thread on this subject and ask members to submit information that they have come across. This thread is for people to who want to laugh at Graig as he tries to legitimize his "scientifically proven " witch hunt. Not the best place to be looking for real information.

Thank you for your post, I have enjoyed reading a first hand account.

Way Past VNE

That alone should be cause for an independent investigation into why the NTSB failed to produce an accurate flight path. If Choice C is correct, then:

Have you asked yourself how the NTSB, who's purpose it is to study and recreate crashes, failed to get this one right?

I don't see how any official story believer can so easily shrug off the NTSB screwing up the alleged flight path of the alleged Flight AA77.

Who screwed up for what reason? These people are supposed to be paid professionals!!!

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reply to post by tezzajw

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What is being discussed is a "working copy" animation which was not and never intended to be the NTSB's Flight Path Study.

Here's their Flight Path Study.

ETA: I listed the wrong URL for the flight path study. I was working with two and listed the wrong one HERE'S the study.

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The double standards amaze me.

Roberts, an identifiable person isn't to be believed. Yet, BigSarge, an anonymous forum poster has been believed by some people, at face value, without any verifiable interview.

BigSarge also allowed the possibility that the official flight path might not be true. The quotes are here in this thread. He specifically stated that the plane could have been North of the Annex and that it may have been between the Citgo and the official South path.


It's interesting when the discussion turns to fearful witnesses.

Remember in this post by member pinch, he made the following statement:

pinch effectively admitted that CIT would be in danger if they knew too much. pinch is a USAF veteran (so I believe), so does he have some knowledge of the extent to which the USA government would threaten/harm/silence its opposition?

The fear shown by witnesses to speak out against the official story is more than justifiable, when pinch openly admitted on the ATS forum, that any powerful knowledge would make someone 'toast'. Reheat, these witnesses are not paranoid, as pinch stated that their safety would be in danger.

As for the flyover... If it occured, then we can rely on jthomas' accurate admission, in this post, to sum up the situation.

jthomas admitted that neither he, nor anyone else, could know how many people may or may not have seen a jet flying over.

You're free to disagree with jthomas, if you like, Reheat. However, he understands that he wasn't there, so he's not going to claim what people should or should not have witnessed.

Never happen.

I have explained this already, I paraphrased the arguments that you have presented here and on your website.

I never directly quoted you, and I never claimed that I did. Had I quoted you I would have either put the quote in quotation marks or used quote tags.

You are the one who, whilst quoting my posts, manipulated my statements to add a context that was clearly not there before. You are the one pulling the deception here, not me.

Your website says the "official" flight path was too high to hit the poles. You are saying in this thread that the "official" flight path was too low to be seen from BigSarge's location. You have said in your videos that the plane was far too south on Route27 for the impact witnesses to have seen it as they described doing so.

You keep changing the "official" story in order to eliminate witness testimony that is not convenient to you.

You tried but you failed, because those are not my arguments which is why you are unable to provide quotes from me making those arguments.

You have been working really hard to set up a strawman argument but failing miserably because I have exposed your attempt to use this deceptive logical fallacy.



You used scare quotes around the word "official" while fraudulently attributing YOUR claims to me without quoting me.



I quoted your fraudulent arguments exactly as you stated them.

This is why you can not show how I allegedly "manipulated" them.

I quoted YOU with quote marks! That is not manipulation.

(ETA: In the quotes below I added the original argument that you fraudulently attributed to me for reference because you deceptively morphed their wording a bit.)



Oh really?

Prove it with a sourced quote or admit you are fraudulently representing our claims in a desperate attempt to set up a strawman argument.

We have NEVER cited the NTSB reported altitude as evidence the poles were not hit or as evidence for the true location of the plane and we have ALWAYS cited the witnesses as proof of this.

Certainly we have claimed that the NTSB data is irreconcilable with the physical damage which is 100% true, but we never cite the data as evidence for where the plane really flew.



Oh really?

Prove it with a sourced quote or admit you are fraudulently representing my claims in a desperate attempt to set up a strawman argument.

Never did I cite the NTSB data, I was merely referencing the officially required HEADING due to the physical damage.



Really?

Prove it with a sourced quote or admit you are fraudulently representing my claims in a desperate attempt to set up a strawman argument.

You phrased this argument more appropriately the first time but the reference we make in this regard is concerning the location of the physical damage which is not up for debate.




No I do not.

That is merely you fraudulently misrepresenting my claims in a desperate attempt to set up a strawman argument.

The fact is....WHENEVER I use the phrase "required official flight path" I am referring to the southern approach HEADING that most certainly IS required due to the physical damage.

It has nothing to do with the govt controlled and supplied data that we have always considered invalid and proven fraudulent on multiple levels.










[edit on 2-7-2009 by Craig Ranke CIT]

So you made things up to suit yourself.

Thanks for that admission.

par⋅a⋅phrase  /ˈpærəˌfreɪz/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [par-uh-freyz] Show IPA noun, verb, -phrased, -phras⋅ing.
Use paraphrase in a Sentence
–noun
1. a restatement of a text or passage giving the meaning in another form, as for clearness; rewording.
2. the act or process of restating or rewording.
–verb (used with object)
3. to render the meaning of in a paraphrase: to paraphrase a technical paper for lay readers.
–verb (used without object)
4. to make a paraphrase or paraphrases.

Learn to use a dictionary.

Learn to not be deceptive.

You did not "paraphrase" my claims.

You fraudulently represented them in a desperate attempt to set up a strawman argument.

That's rich coming from you.

Should we go over the many lies you told about Joel Sucherman again?

reply to post by discombobulator

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You did not "paraphrase" my claims.

You fraudulently represented them in a desperate attempt to set up a strawman argument.

You owe me a detailed response to this post.

I don't owe you anything, Craig.

You have refused to respond to multiple requests to provide evidence to back up your claims.

What makes you think you can make demands now?

In fact, I believe you are the one who owes me something.

Please send me the Joel Sucherman phone call recording as you promised to do.

Really?

Please provide the quote where I made this alleged "promise" and I will consider it.

If you can't please admit that you were once again fraudulently representing my claims.

Here it is...



I provided my end of the deal, now you provide yours.