First, I think you should move "prevent political kidnapping" to the con list.

Second, have we really gotten to the point where we are so lazy that we can no longer turn on our own lights? Or carry proper identification? Why does the chip have to be implanted -- couldn't you simply carry your chip with you and have the same result? Yes, I realize that in the event of a mugging it could get stolen, but see #3.

Third, this will not stop identity theft. When there is money to be made, thieves will stop at nothing. The next rash of crimes will be people that were mutilated in order to retrieve their chip. And yes, I do believe someone will find a way to do this before too long.

Fourth, they would have to kill me to implant me with anything. Period.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
First, I think you should move "prevent political kidnapping" to the con list.

Second, have we really gotten to the point where we are so lazy that we can no longer turn on our own lights? Or carry proper identification? Why does the chip have to be implanted -- couldn't you simply carry your chip with you and have the same result? Yes, I realize that in the event of a mugging it could get stolen, but see #3.

Third, this will not stop identity theft. When there is money to be made, thieves will stop at nothing. The next rash of crimes will be people that were mutilated in order to retrieve their chip. And yes, I do believe someone will find a way to do this before too long.

Fourth, they would have to kill me to implant me with anything. Period.

I'm gad you feel that way. It will be over my dead body too. I should move the Polital kidnapping and add bankers.

That is a weird thought to cut off a guys hand and run it across an ATM reader. Gross.

know what is something that hasn't really been discussed.. i just kind of extrapolated on it a bit and came up with this....

since the chip is in the upper arm area..
then that area is going to kind of take on a whole new identity in our culture...
if it's where you get "Swiped" as in .. that's where the "reader is placed near...
then you're most likely going to have alot of contact near that area... wear and tear on clothing etc...
just as anything that gets touched more often then not on a repeated basis...

so that's a problem

what's the solution?

party-affiliate arm bands.

i forsee that being tied into the chip somehow...

ala nazi-type arm bands of affiliation.. or at least resembling them.
as some sort of protectorate of that area of the body with new-found frequent contact.

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The day I have to get an RFID chip is the day I disappear. I don't like the idea and I doubt that the security built into it will be enough to prevent thieves from copying/stealing/missusing it. Not to mention I don't think the Gov'ts intentions are pure.

Banking Convience should also be moved to cons list
it is making every piece of your personal life more public bugger that.

I hate the idea of the chip and if or when it comes to Scotland they will have to be holding me at gun point too put that thing in. I am no robot never have been and never will be!!! Freedom for me and all you people
i will fight all the way, thats how serious i am.

So line up all you sheep people as i walk the other way.

How can any sane person want it, i really dont understand it, even the pros are taking into prosective but can you image the next enormous deal will be a big red chip to blow us all apart situated in the white house where the president stares at it every day in amazment and as they no longer need the big button, why blow up the world where you can just blow up the people. i aint handing my life over, are you? Noo matter who they send in to paint the perfect picture.

They feed to much sci fi for me to even take this serious.

Are they paying people to take the chip??????? Quick money fix??????

No its a bad idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I will be one of those people screaming in line and kicking for not wanting a chip...people will look at me like a lunatic...that's if the chip is ever considered in my country.
Yeah the gov is passing the limits I guess lots of people will manifest against the chip, if the gov. isn't stupid they will make it free of choice, only if you want it you get it of course that is to the older generations because I imagine them applying a law so that people who (for example) are born in 2010 are ordered to have a chip right after they are born.

Well if they replace current forms of payment with this...

If you are mugged, instead of just being able to hand over a wallet you will need to be cut.

I'm not sure how plausible this idea is, but have you heard of people putting something in ATMs, which will copy card information? Well, somebody could develop something where when they shake hands with another person, it copies their information..?

Originally posted by Danna
I guess I will be one of those people screaming in line and kicking for not wanting a chip...people will look at me like a lunatic...that's if the chip is ever considered in my country.
Yeah the gov is passing the limits I guess lots of people will manifest against the chip, if the gov. isn't stupid they will make it free of choice, only if you want it you get it of course that is to the older generations because I imagine them applying a law so that people who (for example) are born in 2010 are ordered to have a chip right after they are born.

That's exactly the point they are preparing now, for us to all look like raving, anti government lunatics. Homeland Security is geared up and ready so is FEMA. They think theyre ahead of the game, maybe they are?

Originally posted by Nickmare
Well if they replace current forms of payment with this...

If you are mugged, instead of just being able to hand over a wallet you will need to be cut.

I'm not sure how plausible this idea is, but have you heard of people putting something in ATMs, which will copy card information? Well, somebody could develop something where when they shake hands with another person, it copies their information..?

Maybe when the hand is severed and blood flow stps it makes the chip invalid, after all it says it also diagnosis medical conditions.

The pros and cons here are from the OP, the comments within brackets are mine:

Pros of uploading data to chip.

Transponders are still used by military and commercial aircraft (what has this to do with physical implants?)
Banking convenience (why is an implant more convenient than say biometric scanning? We already have a unique identification in our physical makeup, why not make the machines interface with this, no implants required?)
Medical ID (see comment to pro above)
Global ID (see comment referred above)
Paperless currency (paperless currency seems like an inflationary hellhole to me. It's not money, it's not value, it's authorization. I want my money to be worth something, not just the system telling me what I can and cannot afford)
Passports (see comment to banking convenience)
Driver’s license (see comment to banking convenience)
Social Security (see comment to banking convenience)
Prevent child abductions (are we sure this will work? I mean, they could just erase the chip or through emp or radiation kill it. If someone is ruthless to the point he will seperate a child from his parents he will for sure be able to get around a simple computer chip. If this worked we would not have computer, car or mobile device thefts...)
Monitor Alzheimer patients (why not just have them commited if their condition is bad enough to require them? Besides, the chip won't monitor them, it needs a whole infrastructure to track them, and what for?)
Tracking inmates (ok, if they're violent and dangerous enough this could work... but what garantee do you have you won't be one of those inmates because of your political opinions? Which nation has ever achieved social peace through encarceration?)
Prevent Political Kidnapping (see comment to preventing child abductions)

Cons of RFID technology

The universal bar code system (this is fine for scarce material goods, I just don't want it on my body)
Privacy (indeed)
Population Tracking (indeed)
Biblical Prophecy (eh? oh right, that mark of the beast thing. Well, I guess the chip could be used by the religious nuts to herd scared people, so I see your point)
Migration of the implanted transponder (?)
Failure of implanted transponder (this is a con?)
Electrical hazards (as well as disrupting the natural flow of energy in our bodies. Remember accupuncture? We have an energy system too, I would not want to throw a spanner in it)
Possible incompatibility with magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) (this could be overcome with the proper technology, but as we've noted, we don't want the chip in the first place...)
Mark of the beast (biblical prophecy twice? You're really going for the theological angle aren't you?)
New World Order (well, duh)
Freedom
Human Rights
Slaves (These last 3 things fall under freedom and NWO. Which links to elitism and ponerology).

Bottom line is the chip is a psychopathic control freak's wet dream and should never be allowed by any self aware animal population. It's health effects are so bad I wouldn't tag a dog. Yes, that's right, I would not tag a dog with this bs. So it's not hard to see where I stand on this issue. My line in the sand is waaaaay before me and mine get chipped.