Pros and Cons of RFID chip implant in humans

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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Are you already chipped? Many are lining up at their local doctors office to get the chip. It is available for 200 US and will soon be free and 100% covered. Don’t be fooled that it’s necessity is required for digital health care. Once implanted it will be almost impossible to remove.

Do you fear the chip or accept it as a new one stop personal data tool? It will appear to be miraculous. No more cards to carry around, drivers license, social security card, passport, medical ID, banking info. It will be nicely packaged in a chip to serve all purposes, including identity theft.

The 2 videos give a glimpse of both sides of the coin. Good and bad.

Many believe it’s good to implant animals and will soon be accepted in humans.

You be the judge of your own destiny. So is the line being crossed by implanting RFID Chips in humans or are we well pass that point?

Pros of uploading data to chip.

Transponders are still used by military and commercial aircraft ,
Banking convenience
Medical ID
Global ID
Paperless currency
Passports
Driver’s license
Social Security
Prevent child abductions
Monitor Alzheimer patients
Tracking inmates
Prevent Political Kidnapping

Cons of RFID technology

The universal bar code system
Privacy
Population Tracking
Biblical Prophecy
Migration of the implanted transponder
Failure of implanted transponder
Electrical hazards
Possible incompatibility with magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)
Mark of the beast
New World Order
Freedom
Human Rights
Slaves








Obama's health care plan: Illegal or unethical


President, Barack Obama has promised a massive change to “modernize health care by making all health records standardized and electronic. This is especially true when you consider the advocates of implementing a program using so-called ‘v-chips’ containing all a person's medical information.

No one has said how much information will be contained in those implants. The company's executives have said their present push is the tagging of "high-risk" patients — diabetics and people with heart conditions or Alzheimer's disease.In a medical emergency, hospital staff could wave a reader over a patient's arm, get an ID number, and then, via the Internet, enter a company database and pull up the person's identity and medical history.



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You are being watched


Within a human lifetime, RFIDs will likely be routinely embedded in everyone alive. Employers will start making implants a condition of employment. Chipped individuals will get discounts and other privileges. Eventually, having a chip will be essential for everything from voting and driving to shopping and medical care.

Cameras are just one of their tools. Others include radio frequency identification (RFID) chips, GPS location trackers, website cookies, facial recognition software and store loyalty cards. Computer programs used by security services can monitor and analyse billions of phone calls and e-mails in real time.

We are inadvertently handing over to centralized authorities an infrastructure of visibility the likes of which no society has ever seen before.

RFID chips could replace universal product codes, meaning every item on Earth would have its own unique identifier. We might find ourselves "covered with tags shouting out information about the clothing you're wearing, or what's in your purse or wallet.


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One generation is all they need


By the time my four-year-old son is swathed in the soft flesh of old age, he will likely find it unremarkable that he and almost everyone he knows will be permanently implanted with a microchip. Automatically tracking his location in real time, it will connect him with databases monitoring and recording his smallest behavioural traits.

Most people anticipate such a prospect with a sense of horrified disbelief, dismissing it as a science-fiction fantasy. The technology, however, already exists
A select group of people are already “chipped” with devices that automatically open doors, turn on lights, and perform other low-level miracles.

From this point forward, microchips will become progressively smaller, less invasive, and easier to deploy.

Thus, any realistic barrier to the wholesale “chipping” of Western citizens is not technological but cultural. It relies upon the visceral reaction against the prospect of being personally marked as one component in a massive human inventory.


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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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First, I think you should move "prevent political kidnapping" to the con list.


Second, have we really gotten to the point where we are so lazy that we can no longer turn on our own lights? Or carry proper identification? Why does the chip have to be implanted -- couldn't you simply carry your chip with you and have the same result? Yes, I realize that in the event of a mugging it could get stolen, but see #3.

Third, this will not stop identity theft. When there is money to be made, thieves will stop at nothing. The next rash of crimes will be people that were mutilated in order to retrieve their chip. And yes, I do believe someone will find a way to do this before too long.

Fourth, they would have to kill me to implant me with anything. Period.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627
First, I think you should move "prevent political kidnapping" to the con list.


Second, have we really gotten to the point where we are so lazy that we can no longer turn on our own lights? Or carry proper identification? Why does the chip have to be implanted -- couldn't you simply carry your chip with you and have the same result? Yes, I realize that in the event of a mugging it could get stolen, but see #3.

Third, this will not stop identity theft. When there is money to be made, thieves will stop at nothing. The next rash of crimes will be people that were mutilated in order to retrieve their chip. And yes, I do believe someone will find a way to do this before too long.

Fourth, they would have to kill me to implant me with anything. Period.


I'm gad you feel that way. It will be over my dead body too. I should move the Polital kidnapping and add bankers.

That is a weird thought to cut off a guys hand and run it across an ATM reader. Gross.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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know what is something that hasn't really been discussed.. i just kind of extrapolated on it a bit and came up with this....

since the chip is in the upper arm area..
then that area is going to kind of take on a whole new identity in our culture...
if it's where you get "Swiped" as in .. that's where the "reader is placed near...
then you're most likely going to have alot of contact near that area... wear and tear on clothing etc...
just as anything that gets touched more often then not on a repeated basis...

so that's a problem

what's the solution?

party-affiliate arm bands.

i forsee that being tied into the chip somehow...

ala nazi-type arm bands of affiliation.. or at least resembling them.
as some sort of protectorate of that area of the body with new-found frequent contact.

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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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That's a great conclusion. I dont want to go Christian on you but it does say Biblically that the chip will be forced on people and on their right hand not their shoulder.

I think someone in one of those videos got the implant on his right hand.

I wonder if there wll be any allergic reactions?



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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With your avatar, suit and alien you are the perfect type of guy to check this out. What do you think.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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The day I have to get an RFID chip is the day I disappear. I don't like the idea and I doubt that the security built into it will be enough to prevent thieves from copying/stealing/missusing it. Not to mention I don't think the Gov'ts intentions are pure.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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I'm glad! The motive is more sinister than most know. Many may even doubt there faith when it comes time for mandatory chipping. Creepy!



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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Banking Convience should also be moved to cons list
it is making every piece of your personal life more public bugger that.

I hate the idea of the chip and if or when it comes to Scotland they will have to be holding me at gun point too put that thing in. I am no robot never have been and never will be!!! Freedom for me and all you people
i will fight all the way, thats how serious i am.

So line up all you sheep people as i walk the other way.

How can any sane person want it, i really dont understand it, even the pros are taking into prosective but can you image the next enormous deal will be a big red chip to blow us all apart situated in the white house where the president stares at it every day in amazment and as they no longer need the big button, why blow up the world where you can just blow up the people. i aint handing my life over, are you? Noo matter who they send in to paint the perfect picture.

They feed to much sci fi for me to even take this serious.

Are they paying people to take the chip??????? Quick money fix??????

No its a bad idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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I guess I will be one of those people screaming in line and kicking for not wanting a chip...people will look at me like a lunatic...that's if the chip is ever considered in my country.
Yeah the gov is passing the limits I guess lots of people will manifest against the chip, if the gov. isn't stupid they will make it free of choice, only if you want it you get it of course that is to the older generations because I imagine them applying a law so that people who (for example) are born in 2010 are ordered to have a chip right after they are born.




posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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Well if they replace current forms of payment with this...

If you are mugged, instead of just being able to hand over a wallet you will need to be cut.

I'm not sure how plausible this idea is, but have you heard of people putting something in ATMs, which will copy card information? Well, somebody could develop something where when they shake hands with another person, it copies their information..?



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by prevenge
 


That's a great conclusion. I dont want to go Christian on you but it does say Biblically that the chip will be forced on people and on their right hand not their shoulder.

I think someone in one of those videos got the implant on his right hand.

I wonder if there wll be any allergic reactions?


I'm not christian and i take the book of revelation very seriously.

one thing though.. it doesn't say they will take a "chip" in their right hand .
It says they will bear the mark of the beast on their right hand or forehead.

There is the mark of god on the 144k's foreheads..
and the mark of the beast other people's forehead.
this could be construed many ways, but n my opinion, the mark of god is a specific genetic type that resonates with a higher level of human...
whereas the mark of the beast.. is people that resonate with their animal instincts.. and obey their animalistic "beast" body.. not their spirit.
another thing is.. and this may gross some people out.. so warning not to read further...

but with the RAMPANT phenomenon of internet porn and sexuality everywhere. the vast majority of people masturbate to this material..
so every second of every day there is someone behind a computer masturbating to these sexual images... obeying their animal beast instincts.. and ejaculating.. usually on their right hand.. because ht emajority of people are right handed.
the number one most common place for a man to ejaculate on a woman in these internet porns is on her face or forehead.
this is literally a mark of beast-hood.
of rampant obedience to animalistic urges to the point where it becomes addictive abuse.

it's "uh oh he didn't say that did he" taboo to even talk about ..

but it's the absolute truth.

yes the chip is scary to alot of people..
but i dont see peole getting the chip in their foreheads any time soon.
in our culture whether you think it's icky to say so or not... we see men being animalistic and "doing the deed" on women's foreheads more than we see women with Verichips in their foreheads.... or right hands...

and none of these chips are being put into anybody's hands.. it's the upper arm.

might want to detatch yourself from the idea that the chip is the mark of the beast.
you might be being decieved as to what it actually is.


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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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Ye, many have different reasons for refusing the chip. All of the pros should go in the con list but I tried to keep it nuetral, despite my stong objections to it.

Yes It is very bad. Many have debated with me that's it's such a good idea.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by Danna
I guess I will be one of those people screaming in line and kicking for not wanting a chip...people will look at me like a lunatic...that's if the chip is ever considered in my country.
Yeah the gov is passing the limits I guess lots of people will manifest against the chip, if the gov. isn't stupid they will make it free of choice, only if you want it you get it of course that is to the older generations because I imagine them applying a law so that people who (for example) are born in 2010 are ordered to have a chip right after they are born.



That's exactly the point they are preparing now, for us to all look like raving, anti government lunatics. Homeland Security is geared up and ready so is FEMA. They think theyre ahead of the game, maybe they are?



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Nickmare
Well if they replace current forms of payment with this...

If you are mugged, instead of just being able to hand over a wallet you will need to be cut.

I'm not sure how plausible this idea is, but have you heard of people putting something in ATMs, which will copy card information? Well, somebody could develop something where when they shake hands with another person, it copies their information..?



Maybe when the hand is severed and blood flow stps it makes the chip invalid, after all it says it also diagnosis medical conditions.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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I'm thinking the chip will also come with a nice selection of cool tatoos to cover them implant scar and make it more appealing. It could very well be a tatooed bar code?



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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The pros and cons here are from the OP, the comments within brackets are mine:

Pros of uploading data to chip.

Transponders are still used by military and commercial aircraft (what has this to do with physical implants?)
Banking convenience (why is an implant more convenient than say biometric scanning? We already have a unique identification in our physical makeup, why not make the machines interface with this, no implants required?)
Medical ID (see comment to pro above)
Global ID (see comment referred above)
Paperless currency (paperless currency seems like an inflationary hellhole to me. It's not money, it's not value, it's authorization. I want my money to be worth something, not just the system telling me what I can and cannot afford)
Passports (see comment to banking convenience)
Driver’s license (see comment to banking convenience)
Social Security (see comment to banking convenience)
Prevent child abductions (are we sure this will work? I mean, they could just erase the chip or through emp or radiation kill it. If someone is ruthless to the point he will seperate a child from his parents he will for sure be able to get around a simple computer chip. If this worked we would not have computer, car or mobile device thefts...)
Monitor Alzheimer patients (why not just have them commited if their condition is bad enough to require them? Besides, the chip won't monitor them, it needs a whole infrastructure to track them, and what for?)
Tracking inmates (ok, if they're violent and dangerous enough this could work... but what garantee do you have you won't be one of those inmates because of your political opinions? Which nation has ever achieved social peace through encarceration?)
Prevent Political Kidnapping (see comment to preventing child abductions)

Cons of RFID technology

The universal bar code system (this is fine for scarce material goods, I just don't want it on my body)
Privacy (indeed)
Population Tracking (indeed)
Biblical Prophecy (eh? oh right, that mark of the beast thing. Well, I guess the chip could be used by the religious nuts to herd scared people, so I see your point)
Migration of the implanted transponder (?)
Failure of implanted transponder (this is a con?)
Electrical hazards (as well as disrupting the natural flow of energy in our bodies. Remember accupuncture? We have an energy system too, I would not want to throw a spanner in it)
Possible incompatibility with magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) (this could be overcome with the proper technology, but as we've noted, we don't want the chip in the first place...)
Mark of the beast (biblical prophecy twice? You're really going for the theological angle aren't you?)
New World Order (well, duh)
Freedom
Human Rights
Slaves (These last 3 things fall under freedom and NWO. Which links to elitism and ponerology).

Bottom line is the chip is a psychopathic control freak's wet dream and should never be allowed by any self aware animal population. It's health effects are so bad I wouldn't tag a dog. Yes, that's right, I would not tag a dog with this bs. So it's not hard to see where I stand on this issue. My line in the sand is waaaaay before me and mine get chipped.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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I've read that RFID interferes with some medical devices including pacemakers, dialysis machines, and ventilators.

Study Find RFID Interferes With Medical Equipment

So, while the risk is low, as with cell phones, it is still something to look at.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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How the hell do you list paperless currency as a PRO? Are you that absolutely blissfully ignorant?

The death of physical money is the absolute death of freedom. To fail to understand that fact is ignorance in its purest form.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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wow, thans for analyzing all my pros and cons. I should have lumped them all in a file called B for Bull Sh!#. None of it's good in my opinion, just trying to keep nuetral but cant I guess.

I will never get chipped either. We all have our own reasons.





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