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Commentary: Four Reasons Why Gun Sales Are Up

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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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That's the beauty of the constitution. You restore the first ten amendments and you let each community decide what they want....




posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
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That's the beauty of the constitution. You restore the first ten amendments and you let each community decide what they want....


Through a Constitutional Conference? It is the only legal way, I think. And we are back to square one: our corrupt "representatives" will rather vote for abolishing the first ten...



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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My apologies for the general statement, which could very easily have been misunderstood.

There should be a rescinding of the 17th Amendment - enabling a return to the original principle that Senators should be appointed by their State Assemblies. There was a very good reason we are a Republic, and the appointment of Senators was a significant part of the Republic principle.

Reaffirmation of the Tenth Amendment pertaining to State's Rights, which would eliminate thousands of intrusive, foolish, and unfunded Federal Mandates.

And a rescinding of Amendment 16 which in 1913 determined a Federal Income Tax.

States should do the taxing and they would control the power of the purse, eliminating the crap we see today. States could fund a common currency system, the Defense Budget, and of course our DOT which would ensure safe vehicles travel our roads.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
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My apologies for the general statement, which could very easily have been misunderstood.

There should be a rescinding of the 17th Amendment - enabling a return to the original principle that Senators should be appointed by their State Assemblies. There was a very good reason we are a Republic, and the appointment of Senators was a significant part of the Republic principle.

Reaffirmation of the Tenth Amendment pertaining to State's Rights, which would eliminate thousands of intrusive, foolish, and unfunded Federal Mandates.

And a rescinding of Amendment 16 which in 1913 determined a Federal Income Tax.

States should do the taxing and they would control the power of the purse, eliminating the crap we see today. States could fund a common currency system, the Defense Budget, and of course our DOT which would ensure safe vehicles travel our roads.


No apologies needed, thanks for the clarification.
The question remains though: who will implement your program? Is there any politician, or better yet, a political force we can entrust that to?
There is no question that our current election system does not allow much choice, so we elect "representatives" with deepest pockets and loudest voices. Immediately after the election they forget all their promises and start paying back their sponsors.
How can we change this trend?



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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OF COURSE THE GOVT WONT instead al Queda will "slip through our defenses" and TPTB will tell everyone to lay down their arms and return home while they protect us by invading whatever country al Queda is "hiding in".


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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Of course i am sure no one thinks we could ever have another 9 11 right? And you think the Bush League has actually exited the building right? And Kissinger has only our best interests at heart right? And NK and Iran are actually the ones posing a threat right? That democracy is the answer for every nation because its worked so well in the USA right? Do you eat popcorn while watching Fox News or CNN or MSNBC and say to yourself "Now this is entertainment!" I bet you do. I bet you do.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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I fear very much that we won't change it through the ballot box, but that some catastrophic situation will likely be the catalyst by which our nation as we know it will suffer immeasurable damage.

It will be during the process of "putting back the pieces" that the States will reassert their own demands that flawed characteristics such as the three I mentioned be rescinded before they go any further to reestablish the union.

Once broken, with lessons learned, we will never again have a powerful central government like we see now.

In essence, 550 or so Americans (I assume they are even though they don't act like it) dominate and control our entire nation and our lives.

That's too much power in the hands of too few.

The day of reckoning is coming - very, very soon, and it will not be a painless or bloodless process.

An event - maybe insignificant in of itself will kick off a catastrophic response on many levels. And so will begin a destruction first, to enable a reconstruction.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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The only taxes we should pay ARE state taxes. After each state has "paid the bills" = schools roads healthcare salaries of state govt and some in the bank for rainy days = then give the fed govt their share to cover federal expenses like military and security and maybe a tad for science but NOT NASA! NASA needs to go private. And the federal reserve should have its doors locked. Bogus alphabet agencies that are doing more harm than good should be shutdown. In fact let the governors move to washington get rid of congress and let the governors base their decisions on each states majority and instead of a president elect a governor of the governers FROM the governors and let said governer govern for one year then another governer takes the reigns and governs for a year and they all get paid a flat salary except the head governor at the time who gets a bonus based on his progress and approval rating. And no governor can have any ties to banks pharma corporations or other countries.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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Honestly I dont see how a government composed of each states governor would be such a bad idea. Elections would be held every year to keep them in check. And every year the governors rotate the postion of Head Governor making it almost impossible to experience another Bush Era. Lt. Governors stay on the homefront and acquire more duties thus earning their paycheck. COMPLETE transparency with the bill paying and funding will ensure no more misappropiations of funds. There should be no federal laws at all except ones regarding crimes against humanity, such as child molestation, kidnapping, rape(if the victim was forcibly raped and not just satisfying a fantasy then calls cops on her partner for fear of embarrassment from partner telling anyone shes a person who likes the idea of being raped), leaks to other countries regarding national security, crimes involving guns, theft of moneyproperty valued over 1000.00, any violent act that causes the victim to need any medical assistance,and a multistate crime.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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All of the federal crimes i listed above should get the same sentence : life in a work camp. Sounds harsh but i bet it would lower crimerate significantly. All drugs should be legalized. That would lower the amount americans spend on drugs and allow them to pump more money into the economy and annihilate drugcrimes dealers and druglords. Anyone who is irresponsible with drugs or alcohol consumption and causes a need for medical attention will not be covered by national healthcare coverage therefore they will have to pay med bills out of their pocket. Anyone who is irresponsible with their drug use or alcohol consumption and causes harm or death to another human being gets life in a work camp. It will be the decision of each employer to decide what substances to test for and if employee is found to use then given time off unpaid and a chance to go to state funded drug and alcohol rehab clinic or simply find another job. Drunk drivers get life in workcamp since its like firing a gun into a crowd of people.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:41 PM
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And when i say workcamp i mean prison except instead of prisoners pumping iron and shooting the breeze with each other and sodomizing each other they work 12 hour days 6 days a week giving them 1 day to visit with family or read a book or talk to God or masterbate. However they wish to spend that day is up to them. As far as the work they do they grow gardens and livestock to feed themselves. They clean up litter like they do now. They go to schools and colleges and let kids know whats it like in a workcamp hopefully deterring any future would-be criminals. They work in factories that produce earth friendly products such as solar panels, windmills, non-combustionable engines and so on etc etc.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Churches can either start paying taxes or they no longer are allowed to influence decision making outside the church. No more lobbying no more donations to Props no more involvement in public schools or courtrooms. And I am a Christian I just know whats right and seperation of church and state should be just that. If you dont like the law of the land then pray harder. God said to obey the law of the land not to help create the law of the land. I dont think thats unreasonable at all.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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What i have said may seem off topic but i believe thats why people are arming themselve to the teeth. This country is unorganized , theres no unity at all if you step back a few feet and look at the country as a whole. People are tired of the bullcrap and are slowly working their way towards a revolution and the sad thing is those people are working towards different revolutions. The taxpayers who are tired of taxes paying for murder in other countries are arming themselves. Racists who think their own race is becoming extinct are arming themselves. Militants who claim to be patriots but actually will never be happy with ANY form of government are arming themselves. Pedophiles who think its ok to fxxx a child are arming themselves. Christians who think God is only a God of War are arming themselves. People losing jobs are arming themselves and people who THINK they MIGHT lose their job are arming themselves. People who think aliens are about to invade are arming themselves.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 05:16 PM
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People who watch MSM and believe what they see are arming themselves. People who think Obama is going to ban guns are arming themselves. People who see a friend or neighbor arm themselves are arming themselves. Now go to the beginning of my little "arming themselves" rant and put a [ H ] in front of every "arming themselves" and that is actually what is going on. Those people are merely harming themselves and the ones around them. "The pen is mightier than the sword". That is truth in its purest form and all it means is we need to restructure our govt and rewrite the whole works and start over, square one, elect officials who understand the working man the honest man the family man the man with the plan to create a better future for us all. Democracy does not mean the one with the most guns wins it means the majority decides whats fair and just for us all. If you think you will not be amongst the majority then use the mighty pen and put a check beside the name who you KNOW will put you in with the majority.


 
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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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This is an interesting thread. It seems, at least on this board, that the argument of Statists versus Federalists is still quite alive and well.

We're talking about the same issues today that the founding fathers struggled with when the constitution was written and the immediate years thereafter. The country was quite divided then too, in the end the Federalists won out over the Democratic Republican Statists, which is largely why the country is run the way it is today.

I would find it actually quite refreshing to see something like this debate pick back up again. While I'm a strong Federalist, revisiting the debate would probably be good for our nation and remind the American people of the different ideologies that came together to form the country.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by dooper
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I fear very much that we won't change it through the ballot box, but that some catastrophic situation will likely be the catalyst by which our nation as we know it will suffer immeasurable damage.

It will be during the process of "putting back the pieces" that the States will reassert their own demands that flawed characteristics such as the three I mentioned be rescinded before they go any further to reestablish the union.

Once broken, with lessons learned, we will never again have a powerful central government like we see now.

In essence, 550 or so Americans (I assume they are even though they don't act like it) dominate and control our entire nation and our lives.

That's too much power in the hands of too few.

The day of reckoning is coming - very, very soon, and it will not be a painless or bloodless process.

An event - maybe insignificant in of itself will kick off a catastrophic response on many levels. And so will begin a destruction first, to enable a reconstruction.


Sounds like a plausible scenario. I just fear to imagine the scale of such event. After all, the forementioned 550 (BTW, where is this number from?) have been kicking our collective butts for quite awhile, and we still just whining.
It is interesting how the original post about gun sales morphed into political debate. I observed this phenomenon in multiple threads.
I guess, it gives even deeper meaning to the Second Amendment as a garant of our liberties.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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I don't recall how many Representatives there are - somewhere around 450, and 100 Senators, a President and Vice President, and of course the Supreme Court.

Right around 550, give or take a few.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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I buy them to protect against criminals and rabid "patriots". The gov't is the least of my worries. When they can absolutely gaurantee my saftey 24x7 I will gladly hand them over... but chances are nanotech will be out before then making all this pretty much moot. :-P



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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I buy guns to protect my family against criminals, extremist leftists, and socialists (redundant statement).

However when folk start shooting, the big concern there's no fire discipline. Everyone will be down range, and you can't tell by uniform who the targets are. In Iraq the military was told to open fire on anyone who carried a weapon.

In my experience the best defensive weapon is the one you never use. Like Nukes, guns, Martial arts, etc, the after-effects on the user are traumatic.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 07:02 PM
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I fear very much that we won't change it through the ballot box, but that some catastrophic situation will likely be the catalyst by which our nation as we know it will suffer immeasurable damage.


I fear that also. The catastrophic situation that I fear and foresee is 96 hours (or less) without groceries and supplies being delivered to the local markets in the US. When people get hungry, the beast comes out, naturally
. I worked in a grocery store in a small town in the late 1970's. There was a trucker's strike, and they did not deliver for a couple of days. By the beginning of the second day, the word had gotten out. The shelves were bare, except for scraps. That opened my eyes to food shortage scenarios.
72 to 96 hours in the event of some stoppage of the food delivery system is all it would take. Given events around Iran, Persian Gulf, North Korea, etc. doesn't take a lot of imagination to see why we should be prepared.
To defend ourselves and our Constitutional Republic, the United States of America.



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