Commentary: Four Reasons Why Gun Sales Are Up, page 2
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reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 02:26 PM by Anonymous Avatar
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That's the beauty of the constitution. You restore the first ten amendments and you let each community decide what they want....


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 02:34 PM by ActuallyActuary
Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by ActuallyActuary


That's the beauty of the constitution. You restore the first ten amendments and you let each community decide what they want....


Through a Constitutional Conference? It is the only legal way, I think. And we are back to square one: our corrupt "representatives" will rather vote for abolishing the first ten...


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 02:38 PM by dooper
reply to post by ActuallyActuary

My apologies for the general statement, which could very easily have been misunderstood.

There should be a rescinding of the 17th Amendment - enabling a return to the original principle that Senators should be appointed by their State Assemblies. There was a very good reason we are a Republic, and the appointment of Senators was a significant part of the Republic principle.

Reaffirmation of the Tenth Amendment pertaining to State's Rights, which would eliminate thousands of intrusive, foolish, and unfunded Federal Mandates.

And a rescinding of Amendment 16 which in 1913 determined a Federal Income Tax.

States should do the taxing and they would control the power of the purse, eliminating the crap we see today. States could fund a common currency system, the Defense Budget, and of course our DOT which would ensure safe vehicles travel our roads.



reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 02:54 PM by ActuallyActuary
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by ActuallyActuary

My apologies for the general statement, which could very easily have been misunderstood.

There should be a rescinding of the 17th Amendment - enabling a return to the original principle that Senators should be appointed by their State Assemblies. There was a very good reason we are a Republic, and the appointment of Senators was a significant part of the Republic principle.

Reaffirmation of the Tenth Amendment pertaining to State's Rights, which would eliminate thousands of intrusive, foolish, and unfunded Federal Mandates.

And a rescinding of Amendment 16 which in 1913 determined a Federal Income Tax.

States should do the taxing and they would control the power of the purse, eliminating the crap we see today. States could fund a common currency system, the Defense Budget, and of course our DOT which would ensure safe vehicles travel our roads.


No apologies needed, thanks for the clarification.
The question remains though: who will implement your program? Is there any politician, or better yet, a political force we can entrust that to?
There is no question that our current election system does not allow much choice, so we elect "representatives" with deepest pockets and loudest voices. Immediately after the election they forget all their promises and start paying back their sponsors.
How can we change this trend?


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 03:27 PM by dooper
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I fear very much that we won't change it through the ballot box, but that some catastrophic situation will likely be the catalyst by which our nation as we know it will suffer immeasurable damage.

It will be during the process of "putting back the pieces" that the States will reassert their own demands that flawed characteristics such as the three I mentioned be rescinded before they go any further to reestablish the union.

Once broken, with lessons learned, we will never again have a powerful central government like we see now.

In essence, 550 or so Americans (I assume they are even though they don't act like it) dominate and control our entire nation and our lives.

That's too much power in the hands of too few.

The day of reckoning is coming - very, very soon, and it will not be a painless or bloodless process.

An event - maybe insignificant in of itself will kick off a catastrophic response on many levels. And so will begin a destruction first, to enable a reconstruction.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 08:38 AM by ActuallyActuary
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by ActuallyActuary


I fear very much that we won't change it through the ballot box, but that some catastrophic situation will likely be the catalyst by which our nation as we know it will suffer immeasurable damage.

It will be during the process of "putting back the pieces" that the States will reassert their own demands that flawed characteristics such as the three I mentioned be rescinded before they go any further to reestablish the union.

Once broken, with lessons learned, we will never again have a powerful central government like we see now.

In essence, 550 or so Americans (I assume they are even though they don't act like it) dominate and control our entire nation and our lives.

That's too much power in the hands of too few.

The day of reckoning is coming - very, very soon, and it will not be a painless or bloodless process.

An event - maybe insignificant in of itself will kick off a catastrophic response on many levels. And so will begin a destruction first, to enable a reconstruction.


Sounds like a plausible scenario. I just fear to imagine the scale of such event. After all, the forementioned 550 (BTW, where is this number from?) have been kicking our collective butts for quite awhile, and we still just whining.
It is interesting how the original post about gun sales morphed into political debate. I observed this phenomenon in multiple threads.
I guess, it gives even deeper meaning to the Second Amendment as a garant of our liberties.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 12:31 PM by dooper
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I don't recall how many Representatives there are - somewhere around 450, and 100 Senators, a President and Vice President, and of course the Supreme Court.

Right around 550, give or take a few.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 07:02 PM by 1SawSomeThings
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I fear very much that we won't change it through the ballot box, but that some catastrophic situation will likely be the catalyst by which our nation as we know it will suffer immeasurable damage.


I fear that also. The catastrophic situation that I fear and foresee is 96 hours (or less) without groceries and supplies being delivered to the local markets in the US. When people get hungry, the beast comes out, naturally. I worked in a grocery store in a small town in the late 1970's. There was a trucker's strike, and they did not deliver for a couple of days. By the beginning of the second day, the word had gotten out. The shelves were bare, except for scraps. That opened my eyes to food shortage scenarios.
72 to 96 hours in the event of some stoppage of the food delivery system is all it would take. Given events around Iran, Persian Gulf, North Korea, etc. doesn't take a lot of imagination to see why we should be prepared.
To defend ourselves and our Constitutional Republic, the United States of America.
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