How many licensed pilots do you know that do not have sufficient training to properly land?
www.saudi-american-forum.org...
The 9/11 lawsuit was conceived by Ronald L. Motley, a Charleston, South Carolina plaintiffs' attorney who made his reputation and his fortune prosecuting asbestos and tobacco claims. Motley has recruited 18 law firms and 25 lawyers and paralegals to the cause, and committed a $10 million war chest.
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The list of defendants has already expanded, and could continue to do so. In its current form, the complaint accuses 189 defendants, including six Saudi royals, ten Islamic charities, eleven banks, various global businesses (including those owned by Usama Bin Laden's relatives in Saudi Arabia) and the Republic of Sudan. It relies on the "tradition of a civilized nation to allow redress for wrongs through an appeal to the rule of law and justice," and invokes "the rule of law to hold those who promoted, financed, sponsored, or otherwise materially supported the acts of barbarism and terror inflicted on September 11, 2001 accountable for their deeds."
A summary follows of some of the more significant allegations set forth in the complaint.
The complaint seeks to reach beyond those whose violent acts directly cause injury, to a much wider range of indirect actors; "the only way to imperil the flow of money and discourage the financing of terrorist acts is to impose liability on those who knowingly and intentionally supply the funds to the persons who commit the violent acts." The deaths and injuries were caused by the acts of Al-Qaeda and its "co-conspirators and sponsors," and by defendants' sponsorship of these "reasonably foreseeable acts."
Al-Qaeda has allegedly and most crucially relied on "individuals and charities in Saudi Arabia" for its funds, as "Saudi officials have turned a 'blind eye'. Royal denials notwithstanding, Saudi money has for years been funneled to encourage radical anti-Americanism as well as to fund the Al-Qaeda terrorists. Saudi Arabian money has financed international terrorism while its citizens have promoted and executed it."
The complaint targets not only the terrorists themselves, but as alleged accomplices the Republic of Sudan, for having harbored Usama Bin Laden in the early 1990s; various charities, for having funded the terrorists; various banks, for having financed projects undertaken by terrorists, and for transferring Al-Qaeda funds; and various Saudi government officials and businessmen, for having promoted the charity defendants' causes, both out of conviction and a misplaced sense of self-preservation.
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Sudan has been designated by the State Department since 1993 as sponsoring terrorism; under amendments to the Foreign Sovereigns Immunities Act, Sudan (unlike Saudi Arabia, not named as a defendant) has thereby forfeited its sovereign immunity. It is accused of having harbored Usama Bin Laden's businesses and terrorist training camps, and of having experimented with biological warfare through 1996, when it allowed him to relocate to Afghanistan.
Usama Bin Laden is said to have invested $50 million in Al-Shamal Islamic Bank in Sudan, in addition to investments in shipping, trading, agriculture, construction and gum arabic. Based on his Sudanese commercial empire, Al-Qaeda became "a multinational corporation complete with a finance committee, investments and well-organized, concealed accounts and operations worldwide."
Saudi American Bank and the Bin Laden family businesses are included as defendants based on having financed projects in Sudan during the period of Usama Bin Laden's stay, including Port Sudan Airport and the Khartoum/Port Sudan Tahaddi Road.
Third, on 11/11 a Costa Rican airliner crashed in the Rockaway section of Queens, this is where most of the firefighters lived who had responded to the Towers and spoke about what they saw in the various dcumentaries out there. The obvious message was "you better shut the hell up or else!"
Feds eye engines in air crash
November 12, 2001 Posted: 10:07 p.m. EST (0307 GMT)
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Investigators suspect a catastrophic engine event as the likely cause of an airline crash Monday in New York that likley claimed the lives of everyone on board, a Transportation Department official told CNN.
Investigators have not definitively ruled out terrorism in the crash American Airlines flight 587, but think some sort of engine failure caused the disaster, the official said.
Officials said the flight, which crashed in Rockaway, a Queens neighborhood, carried 260 people - 246 ticketed passengers, nine crewmembers and five unticketed infants sitting on their parents' lap. At least six to eight people in Rockaway also have been reported missing immediately following the crash, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said.
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The flight was an Airbus A300-600. The jet was propelled by General Electric engines [...]the federal Aviation Administration require airlines with the same GE engines as those on flight 587 to review repairs made on cracked engine blades. That recommendation followed an incident in which an engine erupted and caught fire during maintenance on a U.S. Airways plane.
A year earlier, the NTSB recommended that airlines with Airbus A300s improve their engines' fire detection system. An engine on an American Airlines flight that caught fire on takeoff from Puerto Rico prompted that recommendation.
This June, the FAA issued an airworthiness directive, telling airlines to examine specific parts of the GE engine.
A GE spokesman told CNN the company complied with the directive, but could find nothing to change.
New York Gov. George Pataki said there were "inconclusive" reports the pilot dumped fuel into Jamaica Bay, an indication he may have known of a problem on board.
Just before the crash, the Airbus broke up in mid-air.
A sizable portion of the vertical stabilizer from the tail section landed in Jamaica Bay, while most of the fuselage plunged into Rockaway.[...]
Pataki said the main crash site suggested the plane dropped at a steep angle, if not vertically.
"It's clear that the plane did come down very much in a straight level, which was horrible for that particular site, but minimized what could have happened had the plane glided across the Rockaways," he said.
...Moments after the plane took off, witnesses said they saw what appeared to be an explosion. [...] "It was like a bomb exploded." (Full story)
Monday's crash site in Rockaway was home to many New York city firefighters and police officers killed in the attack on the World Trade Center, which prompted an emotional response from the mayor.
[...] Asked if there were any indications of terrorism, Fleischer said "We have not ruled anything in; we have not ruled anything out."
Originally posted by Nutter
Originally posted by mmiichael
There are examples of kids who have flown planes in extreme emergency situations.
You are still avoiding my point. These kids weren't licensed pilots.
books.google.ca.../11+pilots+licensed&source=bl&ots=udTns3gt0-&sig=aRMaM-Sm12SsV3M5-cLVKEzhlhM&hl= en&ei=ps5DSoXCCJGsMMnCqKwC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6
"We shall unleash the Nihilists and the Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, the origin of savagery, and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure light through the universal manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
Another part of this letter was [reportedly] "discovered" in 1949, which graphically outlined plans for three world wars and at least two revolutions. The first world war was to enable communistic atheism to destroy the czarist government in Russia. This was accomplished. The second world war was to begin by pitting Great Britain against Germany, in order to destroy Naziism and advance the cause of Zionism so that Israel could become a nation. This was accomplished. After this war, Communism was to be made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945 at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, Russia was given a chunk of Europe and that helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China. The plan also called for a third world war, which is to be ignited by firing up the aggression between the Zionists (Israel) and the Arab world who will destroy each other bringing the rest of the world into a final conflict. This conflict will be engineered to produce complete social, political, and economic chaos out of which will emerge an Illuminati-controlled world government.
"William Guy Carr, a retired Canadian Naval Commander, in his book Pawns in the Game claimed that for a short time this letter had been on display in the British Museum Library in London where he wrote a copy of it. However, the British Museum has said that they never had such a letter in their collection. It was later discovered that Carr got the information from a book called The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled by Jose Maria Caro y Rodriguez, the Archbishop of Santiago and the Cardinal of Chile. Some researchers believe the second letter to be fraudulent and had been written much later than the first part, since the word 'Fascism' was not used until 1921 and the Arab/Jewish problem did not exist until after the 1917 Balfour Declaration. But then again, if they indeed planned and initiated these events, the document could very well be authentic..
Some researchers believe the second letter to be fraudulent and had been written much later than the first part, since the word 'Fascism' was not used until 1921 and the Arab/Jewish problem did not exist until after the 1917 Balfour Declaration.
Originally posted by mmiichael
The 4 9/11 pilots were trained and licensed in the US between 1999 and 2000. One had a commercial pilot's license, 3 other private pilot's licenses.
details here:
books.google.ca.../11+pilots+licensed&source=bl&ots=udTns3gt0-&sig=aRMaM-Sm12SsV3M5-cLVKEzhlhM&hl= en&ei=ps5DSoXCCJGsMMnCqKwC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6
Debunking 9/11 Myths By David Dunbar, Brad Reagan, John McCain, Popular Mechanics Press
Conspiracy theories about Sept. 11, 2001 continue to spread. Now, in a meticulous, scientific and groundbreaking new book, Popular Mechanics puts these rumors to rest. The magazine’s editors analyze the 20 most persistent claims underlying 9/11 conspiracy theories—and conclusively disprove each one. The result is a triumph of hard fact over conspiratorial fantasy.
Originally posted by LexTalionis
I'm too new to post a new thread, but I just came accross this article
news.aol.com...
Dont know how it ties in as I am at work and cant spend much time researching
WASHINGTON (June 24) WASHINGTON (June 24) -- A former commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard -- who ordered jets over the Capitol amid the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks -- was among those killed in a transit train crash in Washington this week, authorities said Tuesday.
Retired Maj. Gen. David F. Wherley Jr. and his wife, Ann, both 62, were killed along with seven others Monday in the most deadly train crash in the history of the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority.
