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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 09:57 AM
Thanks to the corruption and inneptitute and culture of lies and disdain for the American citizen the permeates every level of government in Washington there is scant little evidence regarding what really happened on that fateful day in September 2001.

However...if we were to use the same typse of circumstantial evidence and sensationalism that the Media used to try such people as Scott Peterson for the death of his wife Lacey...

Then clearly the CIA, MOSSAD and ZIONISTS are behind the 9-11 attacks. Far more circumstantial evidence points to those parties than any other party.

The U.S. Government is afraid to try this case in an open court of law or even charge anyone with this case or even risk letting someone who is 'suspected' and not charged from talking to the media.

You sure don't have to be a rocket scientist to know it was not aviation fuel the brought those towers down.

It was the ZIONISTS and the politics of Israel and sadly the closer the truth comes to getting out the more desperate those really responsible for 9-11 are going to be to keep on hiding it.

I have no doubt with another day or two it will all be part of the plot to rig the Iranian elections because 'Mousavi' wants to reveal the 'real' truth that it was yet another Islamic country behind 9-11.

If our government has nothing to hide, why is it hiding EVERYTHING?

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:04 AM
reply to post by mikesingh

Betty Ong called in and said, "The passenger in 9-C is leading the hijacking".

9C? You are saying that he was in 9B and she said 9C! And i just read dozen of sites claiming that she said 9A did it!!! What is it, abc contest? I mean, she could not have mistaken 9B with 10B where highjacker set and probably stabbed 9B in all, that chaos and horror.
Anyway, Lewin was an officer in sayeret. But he was also a co-founder of succesful firm , member of the board and pretty rich.
Anyway, i fail to understand - if there was an airport Jewish firm , i can understand that it would be easier for succesful buisnessman to bring weapons in order to highjack the plane and die.
But if it is drone firm Jew mafia, then what airport security/Daniel Lewin had to do?
And if it is WTC Jewish security blowing it up - what Daniel Lewin kamikadze, Airport security or drone firm had to do with it??
I see that you basically surround it from all fronts by connecting all possible Jews . Jews did it this way or that way or that way. Well, it is or this or that or that.

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:10 AM
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

allow me to debunk the nonsense of the one dead jew theory

It's total crap made up to perpetrate a nonsensical story.

Related to that steaming pile of nonsense is the Odigo story which, while still worth looking into, is nowhere near the "get out of the WTC" type story that you make it out to be.

As to the rest, well, if these two aspects of your story are crap, is it worth looking into the rest? All of these things have been brought up and investigated and some of them have validity, others do not but your lumping them all together simply makes the important issues seem less important.

Of course, for those of us who lost friends and family on that day, for those of us who still look up with fear when we hear airplanes flying overhead, this isn't a hobby. For us, it's still a tragedy.

Can't ya'll take up stamp collecting and stop muddying the waters of this tragedy?

Can't the real investigation focus on how this happened, not focus on coming up with some of the most inane and ridiculous propaganda around?

Hell, you might as well claim there were holograms if you're going to claim that only 1 jew died that day.

This is NYC, Jesse Jackson called it Hymie Town for a reason. You'd be hard pressed to find a building in manhattan that has only one jew in it during office hours and, for the "jews control banking" folks, the WTC was at the heart of the Wall Street, where all the banks and trading and investing houses are. That's like hitting at the heart of Hymie Town if the rumors of jewish banking control are to be believed.

This whole concept is tired. More so when the op rehashes old stuff and doesn't even properly credit the original authors for this tripe.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:13 AM
reply to post by mikesingh

Mike, looks as if you're getting your feet wet on this subject, wading in with all fervor, but be wary: There are reefs and shoals ahead.

For instance,

...and for controllers to make summary tapes.

In Feb of 2002 an FAA administrator destroyed the tapes.

The tapes that were destroyed were these:

"What those six controllers recounted in a group setting on Sept. 11, in their own voices, about what transpired that morning, are no longer available to assist any investigation or inform the public," the report said.

It is important to delineate exactly which tapes of what is being referred to in each instance.

The destruction occurred even though the FAA sent a directive three days after the hijackings: "Retain and secure until further notice ALL Administrative/Operational data and records.

Note the phrase "Administrative/Operational data and records"
adding: (The informal tapes made on the 11th were destroyed on the 12th, before the directive three days later. AND they were not official FAA documents off any sort.)

This WAS done. There are transcripts of the ATC recordings. ALSO, there are written statements from the personnel involved -- the ones who sat down and made the tapes on the 11th...those tapes were destroyed for reasons unrelated to 9/11! I will try to find the link to the written statements...they would be essentially the same as the verbal statements on the tape that was destroyed, except that a written statement is more formal and not subject to possible recrimination after-the-fact as would be an audio tape. The point here is, the FAA has strict procedural rules. The Union that protects the employees didn't want them telling their personal opinions and judgements in an audio tape, lest they be grilled as to 'Why did you not do X", or, "Why did you give Y a clearance without using proper phraseology", etc.

In a nut shell, we know next to nix what exactly transpired on the airwaves!

No, as I poinnted out above, the ATC tapes were not destroyed.

See what I mean about reefs and shoals? There is a veritable 'booty' of disinformation out there, after all of these years...starts with one person's "theory", GETS PICKED UP, TOSSED AROUND, then innuendo and before you know it, it's the latest "TRUTH!" The Internet is the engine powering most of this rubbish.

[edit on 6/25/0909 by weedwhacker]

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:17 AM
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

By the way, I ain't anti Jewish or anti Israel, and Skyfloating seemed quite surprised that I had made out an 'Israeli bashing' post in spite of my 'pro-Israeli' leanings!

Well, the fact is that the truth cannot be brushed under the carpet. If my best friend murders someone, I won't hesitate to turn him in! Justice has to prevail whatever the circumstances.


posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:34 AM

Originally posted by mikesingh
Larry Silverstein – Larry had breakfast in “Windows on the World” restaurant every single morning. On 9/11 he never showed up. Neither did his daughter who worked in building 7.

Neither did his son, Roger, who also worked for his company and was regularly attending meetings with WTC tenants. “If the attack had happened just a little later, Mr. Silverstein’s children would likely have been trapped at Windows.” New York Observer, 3/17/2003

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Crakeur
Can't the real investigation focus on how this happened, not focus on coming up with some of the most inane and ridiculous propaganda around?

Then do we take it that all those people and organizations named in the OP are fictitious? That none of them exist? That they are all only part of internet propaganda?

If so, then I'm guilty of bringing out nothing but pure fiction and nonsense! This thread therefore may kindly be closed. Thanks!


posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:36 AM
reply to post by mikesingh

to be honest, i don't even have time right now to read through the rest of the replies, but regarding the OP, Mike, do you think 9/11 being caused by the Jesuits holds any water?

check this out:

i'd love to know your thoughts on this! i don't think the Jesuits being behind it is completely incredible, and i'm even wondering if they could even be behind the Mossad/CIA, pulling their strings...

or, are they completely uninvolved??

what do you think?

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:38 AM
Hi Mike, great to hear from you again.

Excellent post my friend, and well articulated as usual. Problem is Mike, most of us here will agree with you because we already now the story we have been fed is a crock of s#@t.

Our challenge is knowing it, but we are never going to see the perps bought to justice and that is just criminal in itself.

Thanks Mike, take care.

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:44 AM

Originally posted by mikesingh
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

By the way, I ain't anti Jewish or anti Israel, and Skyfloating seemed quite surprised that I had made out an 'Israeli bashing' post in spite of my 'pro-Israeli' leanings!

by the way, i used to be beside Israel, too, until i read this

1940 U.S. Congressional Record: Steps Towards a British Union, a World State, and International Strife

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:45 AM
reply to post by mikesingh

as I mentioned in my post, you bring up (or should I say rehash) old topics that have some validity but you muddy them with proven hoaxes such as the one dead jew story and that manages to make the entire story suspect. It's like Meier and his many haoxes. How can anyone believe one aspect to be true if you are lumping them in with proven, known hoaxes?

So, you start out with your jews are behind it theory, point out that only one jew died (HOAX) and you mention the Israeli firm who's employees received messages telling them the WTC was going to be hit when, in reality, 2 employees received a message that predicted an attack but didn't mention where. those two employees were, by the way, in Israel, so they might have just said "oh, is it Tuesday already?" and moved on with their day.

Youu start off with a HOAX and a vastly exaggerated and altered story and you want people to look further. What you've done is destroyed everything after those two claims.

If I were to tell you I can prove that aliens exist and, for argument's sake, let's pretend that I actually have proof, and I start off with a video of a yoda doll in some grainy black and white clip with an altered voice and and I follow up with some photos that are clearly fuzzy images of star wars spaceships taken off a tv, and then I show you my video of my real alien friend who talks to the camera and explains where he's from, would you believe the third part if the first two were a total joke?

No, you wouldn't and that is what you are basically asking the reader here.

So, by turning this into a hobby you have muddied the waters, destroying the path to the real truth, making it harder for real investigators, with new information, to find real truth, new truth. Plus, you get the added bonus of making sure that, should you uncover some real truth in your investigation, you will now be linked to having believed and put forth as real, crap like the one dead jew theory.

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:49 AM
Here, Mike:

Just to add to my earlier points about FAA ATC data:

Please read, and if there's anything you don't understand I'm happy to help.

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:54 AM
didnt realise you were a 911 specialist but good thread. But my question on most threads arises again....what do we do, what can we do.....??

The more I read on this site the more helpless I feel.....something needs to be done but I have no idea how to go about it.....

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:11 AM

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by mikesingh

Let me see if I get all of what you're theorizing.

The heavily accented voice (presumed to be Atta, AAL11) when he thinks he's on the PA, but keys the mic on the ATC frequency, telling the passengers that he is 'captain' now, and 'we have some planes'...that Atta and company were stooges? What I mean is, this notion that you dupe the Arabs, tell them to hijack, and they don't know they're gonna die, because the "Jooooos" are going to remotely take over the airplanes and crash them?

Yeah - these "expert" pilots were so skilled, they didn't even know how to operate the friggin radio....

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:14 AM
reply to post by mmiichael

I see you just got your government approved blinders in the mail

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:27 AM
I'd imagine anyone involved in planning attacks on Western targets would get a rise out of seeing this type of analysis.

Western intelligence agencies track a series of escalating attempts to attack American targets and interests in the decade preceding 9/11. A Saudi national is shown to be directly involved or complicit. The culmination of his efforts are a successful massive attack on the US.

8 years alter people with some questionable motivations hope to prove the owner of buildings demolished in this attack is responsible.

Check out highlights in the profile of the individual exonerated in this process.


1992 According to the current indictment against bin Laden, from 1992 on, bin Laden and other Al Qaeda members stated privately within the organization that a) Al Qaeda should put aside its differences with Shiite Muslim terrorist organizations, including Iran and its affiliated terrorist group Hezbollah, to cooperate against the perceived common enemy, the United States and its allies; b) the US forces stationed on the Saudi peninsula, including both Saudi Arabia and Yemen, should be attacked; and c) the US forces stationed in the Horn of Africa, including Somalia, should be attacked.

December 29, 1992 A bomb explodes in a hotel in Aden, Yemen, where US troops had been staying while en route to a humanitarian mission in Somalia. The bomb killed two Austrian tourists; the U.S. soldiers had already left. Two Yemeni Muslim militants, trained in Afghanistan and injured in the blast, are later arrested. US intelligence agencies allege that this was the first terrorist attack involving bin Laden and his associates (Source: New York Times 8/21/98).


According to US government charges, bin Laden's followers try to obtain components of nuclear weapons and begin to work with Sudan's NIF to develop chemical arms (Source: US News and World Report 10/5/98).
February 26, 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

October 3 & 4th, 1993 Eighteen US troops are killed in an urban attack in Mogadishu, Somalia. American law enforcement, intelligence and national security officials are divided as to whether, as a federal indictment charges, bin Laden and his adherents helped train and arm the men who killed the US troops (Source: New York Times 2/8/99).

February/March 1995 Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing, is captured in Pakistan and extradited to the United States. A search of his former residences leads investigators to believe he is financially linked to bin Laden. Also, he had stayed at a bin Laden financed guest house while in Pakistan.


August, 1995 Bin Laden wrote an open letter to King Fahd of Saudi Arabia calling for a campaign of guerrilla attacks in order to drive U.S. forces out of the kingdom.

November 13, 1995 Five Americans and two Indians are killed in the truck bombing of a US-operated Saudi National Guard training center in Riyadh. Bin Laden denies involvement but praises the attack (Source: Washington Post 8/23/98).

May 1996 The Sudan expels bin Laden because of international pressure by the United States and Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden then moves back to Afghanistan. (Source: Jane's Intelligence Review 10/1/98)


Spring 1996 President Clinton signed a top secret order that authorized the CIA to use any and all means to destroy bin Laden's network.
June 25, 1996 A large truck bomb devastates the US military residence in Dhahran called Khobar Towers, killing 19 servicemen. The US military initially linked bin Laden to the attack but now believe a Saudi Shiite group was responsible (Source: Washington Post 8/23/98). U.S. investigators still believe bin Laden was somehow involved.

August 23, 1996 Bin Laden signed and issued a Declaration of Jihad outlining his organization's goals: drive US forces from the Arabian Peninsula, overthrow the Government of Saudi Arabia, liberate Muslim holy sites, and support Islamic revolutionary groups around the world. He declares that Saudis have the right to strike at US troops in the Persian Gulf.
November, 1996 Gwynne Roberts conducts interview of bin Laden for the British documentary program Dispatches. Bin Laden threatens to wage an Islamic holy war against the United States and its allies if Washington does not remove its troops from the Gulf region (Source: Reuters 2/20/97).


February 1998 Bin Laden issues joint declaration with the Islamic Group, Al Jihad, the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh and the "Jamaat ul Ulema e Pakistan" under the banner of the "World Islamic Front," which stated that Muslims should kill Americans including civilians--anywhere in the world.


June 8, 1998 The grand jury investigation of bin Laden, initiated in 1996, issues a sealed indictment, charging Bin Laden with "conspiracy to attack defense utilities of the United States." Prosecutors charge that bin Laden heads a terrorist organization called al Qaeda, the base, and was a major financier of Islamic terrorists around the world.

August 6, 1998
Two simultaneous explosions at US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The bomb in Nairobi, Kenya kills 213 people, including 12 US nationals, and injure more than 4,500 . The bomb in Dar es Salaam kills 11 and injures 85. No Americans died in the Tanzania bombing.

August 12, 1998 The Small Group of presidential advisors meet with Clinton, reportedly with evidence that bin Laden is looking to obtain weapons of mass destruction and chemical weapons to use against US installations (Source: New York Times 9/23/98). US intelligence also reportedly intercepted a mobile phone conversation between two of bin Laden's lieutenants that implicated them in the embassy bombings. (Source: Newsweek 8/31/98)

August 20, 1998
US retaliation against bin Laden--cruise missiles attack a suspected terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and Al Shifa, a pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum. US intelligence claims that Al Shifa is tied to the production of chemical weapons for bin Laden. The Sudanese government vehemently denied these claims.

US adds bin Laden's name to list of terrorists whose funds are targeted for seizure by US Treasury in order to shut down the financial pipelines that allegedly subsidize bin Laden's terrorist activities. (Source: Washington Post 8/28/98)

September 23, 1998 US senior administrative officials admit that they had no evidence that directly linked bin Laden to the Al Shifa factory at the time of retaliatory strikes on Aug 20. Intelligence officials found financial transactions between bin Laden and the Military Industrial Corporation--a company run by the Sudan's government. (Source: New York Times 9/23/98)

November 4, 1998 A new superceding indictment is issued against bin Laden, Muhammad Atef and a host of other suspects. They are charged with bombing of two US embassies and conspiring to commit other acts of terrorism against Americans abroad. Two rewards of $5 million each are offered for Atef and bin Laden. Atef is described as bin Laden's chief military commander.

January 16, 1999 The US Attorney's office files its most complete indictment to date of Osama bin Laden and 11 other suspected members of his terrorist organization. The grand jury charges the men for conspiring to kill American nationals. The first count of the indictment charges that several of the co-defendants, acted with other members of "al Qaeda," a worldwide terrorist organization led by bin Laden, in a conspiracy to murder American citizens. The objectives of the terrorist group allegedly include: killing members of the American military stationed in Saudi Arabia and Somalia; killing United States embassy employees in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania; and concealing the activities of the co-conspirators by, among other things, establishing front companies, providing false identity and travel documents, engaging in coded correspondence, and providing false information to the authorities in various countries.

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:32 AM
So the essence of your story is that Jews owned leases associated with the WTC buildings.

I would say that it would be difficult to find a non-Jewish owned building in New York.

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:35 AM
Very interesting indeed and thanks for the post although I have one question that im sure someone could clear up.Being that the Jews own and control most of the money in the U.S. as I have heard..What is their motive..They prosper off the united states... Also understanding that our country is the most powerful country in the world, recession or not -if we go down =EVERYONE goes down and while understanding that the muslims may not give a s***,The jews are very smart and intelligent people... What would their motive be ? No argument,just a question

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Retseh
So the essence of your story is that Jews owned leases associated with the WTC buildings.

I would say that it would be difficult to find a non-Jewish owned building in New York.

grabbed this from a post by kernalpanic

these are excerpts from 'supposed' ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book 'By Way of Deception'

There are thousands of sayanim around the world. In London alone, there are about 2,000 who are active, and another 5,000 on the list. They fulfill many different roles. A car sayan, for example, running a rental agency, could help the Mossad rent a car without having to complete the usual doc-

[p. 87] umentation. An apartment sayan would find accommodation without raising suspicions, a bank sayan could get you money if you needed it in the middle of the night, a doctor sayan would treat a bullet wound without reporting it to the police, and so on. The idea is to have a pool of people available when needed who can provide services but will keep quiet about them out of loyalty to the cause. They are paid only costs. Often the loyalty of sayanim is abused by katsas who take advantage of the available help for their own personal use. There is no way for the sayan to check this.

One thing you know for sure is that even if a Jewish person knows it is the Mossad, he might not agree to work with you - but he won't turn you in. You have at your disposal a nonrisk recruitment system that actually gives you a pool of millions of Jewish people to tap from outside your own borders. It's much easier to operate with what is available on the spot, and sayanim offer incredible practical support everywhere. But they are never put at risk - nor are they privy to classified information.

Food for thought

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:38 AM
reply to post by Crakeur

You respond with a rebuttal by Arent the owners of snopes Jewish also?

[edit on 25-6-2009 by tjeffersonsghost]

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