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Originally posted by patent98310
wow, good research. Although the 'blame the jews thing' is kind of a touchy subject..... But what is behind our motivation to find the truth isn't racism so i hope no one actually sees it like that. Again, good post, S&F.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by mikesingh
Let me see if I get all of what you're theorizing.
The heavily accented voice (presumed to be Atta, AAL11) when he thinks he's on the PA, but keys the mic on the ATC frequency, telling the passengers that he is 'captain' now, and 'we have some planes'...that Atta and company were stooges? What I mean is, this notion that you dupe the Arabs, tell them to hijack, and they don't know they're gonna die, because the "Jooooos" are going to remotely take over the airplanes and crash them?
What story were the Arabs told? Extortion? Prisoner swap?
The sounds on the UAL93 voice recorder, at the cockpit intrusion..."Hey! Get outta here!..." etc. The chanting in Arabic as the United was being intentionally flown into the ground after the passengers rose up.
You see, there are contradictions to your theory that you may wish to reconcile, if you can.
My battery is low, so I'll wrap up (for now) with this: As to the C-130 airborne remote control platform --- you will have to show evidence of such an airplane (well, two actually) being n the air in the vicinity of NYC that morning.
Also, look up a paper titled "Human Factors in UAV Flight" It can be found at faa.gov.
Thanks.
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Ok. This again!
Naturally i do not know if Larry Silverstain ate breakfast every single day in WTC. You do not know it too. Who were his friends is hardly relevant.
Who ran security at WTC is also irrelevent since no security guard can stop aircraft diving into his building. Or you say that there was no aircraft?
Then who runs airport security is irelevent.
Odigo company issue is not true either. There was a message recieved by two workers in office in Israel, it did not say anything about where/how something would happen, and it contained what is described as "anti-semitic" slur. Immidietly after attack Israeli authorities and FBI were notified.
Now the true gem, which shows how good is this "research" - 4000 Israeli Jews working in WTC? Think about it for a second and you would realize how insane it is. Even if there were 40000 workers in WTC, every tenth is Israeli Jew? And this is attacked by Mossad???
The number 4000 comes because A) There were about 4000 Israelis living in Manhatten area.
B) People who did the same "research" either did not care, since it was good for their, completely innocent ,point or simply did not know that Manhatten area and WTC area is not the same.
In 9/11 5 Israeli Jews were killed, and a lot of American Jews.
And ZIM pulling out was announced half a year earlier. They lost 50000$? Wow, for multi-million company it was serious blow.
So for Jew to lease WTC area before 9/11 is suspicious. For 49percent Israeli-owned company to leave prior to 9/11 is suspicious.
What about Israeli Clearforest company that remained. Is it also suspicious?
About five dancing Israelis issue - there were three dancing. Two set in the car. Their got caught in one location - where they filmed and danced. I did not find about cameras set up time, but there were numerous other films that caught the first plane, they were clearly set up before the attack.
There are rumors of truck with explosive traces, there is nothing that claims it was driven by Mossad agents and it clearly did not explode. Do you know anybody in crowded NY that noticed truck exploding near him? Or tracks crashed into the buildings?
Orthodox Jew owns a high-tech avionics company. Wow. And? It is the only company in the world that could convert a plane into drone? It had something to do with those Boings? How does it prove anything exept that Jew owns a high-tech avionic company?
Remains of the buildings were sold by Jew. Wow. They should lie there until now, of course. They arrived at China 5 months after attack. Say, month to sail. 4 months is certainly not enough to take samples for explosives.
By the way, who sold this steel to Ratner? Since there is no name mentioned, it was not a Jew. And clearly someone selling all this scraped steel to Ratner is not suspicious. Someone buying it from X and reselling is guilty because he is a Jew.
How do you know that Philip Zelikow is a Israeli citizen? Was he born in Israel or do you know that he got Israeli citizenship later? What is wrong in Jew being had of 9/11 research team, he clearly is better researcher then "4000 Israeli Jews working at WTC" people are - because you cannot be worse.
Also , what are those 5 judges got to do with investigation in 9/11? I do not get it. Can you explain what they did to make/hide 9/11?
And the only results of 9/11 are NATO forces in Iraq (which was enemy of Israel, but clearly not most important due to no border between the two) and
NATO forces in Afghanistan.
Since if it was Israeli (sorry, Jewish mafia) plan - it was planned like evil murderous genius, executed like evil murderous genius , but results are no where to be seen. I mean, 8 years later Obama is telling Israel no no on settlements. What this plan then succeded to do???
And naturally, there are no ?Muslim fanatical terrorists, it is Israeli Mossad blowing up civilians in Iraq.
Very poor research in my opinion.
Except for 5 (3) dancing Israelis and moving firm in general - which is suspicious even to me - the only connection of other points is that people are Jewish.
Originally posted by mmiichael
Arabs finance, plan, and execute a major terrorist attack on the US which includes the highest buildings in NYC that house it's financial epicenter, and the Pentagon.
One million Jews live in New York, the highest concentration in the world. Many work or are involved in the financial sector.
So a lot of agenda driven dot connecting is done to show how Jews conspired to kill thousands of Americans and drive the US into wars in the Middle East. This despite the fact that the US government and intelligence could have done any number of faked attacks and planted evidence pointing to Iraq or whoever.
This is an attempt to pin 9/11 on the Jews, exonerating it's actual enemies, in the process. An ongoing disinformation campaign that finds support in Jew haters wherever they are.
That there is an endless amount of publicly available information and independent research, testimony, evidence that the US was attacked by Middle Eastern nationals and is consistent with their previous activities is ignored.
Ignorance, malign distortion of truth, hatred rule in this pretense of investigation.
Mike
[edit on 25-6-2009 by mmiichael]
Originally posted by TheAnswers
It seems obvious and clear to most that the WTC was brought down by explosives.
www.911myths.com...
36-page paper in PDF.
Tim Wilson, Australian Civil Engineer, overview:
“Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. … Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was.”
www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
[...]
Had there been explosives used, what evidence would all those investigators, steelworkers and demolition workers have seen at Ground Zero? Bill Moore of Brandenburg Industrial Service Co., former president of the National Demolition Association:
“Explosives used to demolish steel are called ‘linear-shape charges.’ They cut steel like a hot knife through butter and leave a very distinctive looking cut plus a copper residue. Just putting [normal] explosives on a piece of steel would do nothing unless the amount was huge. That huge amount would have blown out every window in Manhattan from the sound pressure.”
Brent Blanchard, senior writer at www.implosionworld.com:
“Our team, working at Ground Zero, including myself, never saw indication of explosive use that would have been evident after the event. You just can’t clean up all the det cord, shock tube, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges, burn marks along clean-cut edges of columns, etc., nor is there any evidence in the thousands of photos taken by the press and dozens of agencies over the following days. I just can’t see how it happened that way.”
Remember, 1.62 billion pounds of WTC debris was meticulously searched and sorted. As many as 1000 workers from 28 city, state, and federal agencies processed 7000 tons of rubble daily at Fresh Kills. The last truckload of rubble arrived on June 28, 2002. In addition to over 19,000 human remains leading to 1,215 identifications, here are some of the things that search turned up:
• Approximately 4,000 personal photographs
• $78,318.47 in domestic and foreign currency
• 54,000 personal items such as identification cards and driver licenses
• And not a single trace of explosive devices
Originally posted by mmiichael
Few understand is how invasive preparing a building for demolition really is.... The extent of this work would be so extensive it would be impossible not to notice the building being virtually torn apart.
• Approximately 4,000 personal photographs
• $78,318.47 in domestic and foreign currency
• 54,000 personal items such as identification cards and driver licenses
• And not a single trace of explosive devices
Originally posted by twitchy
they pulled the Bomb Sniffing Dogs off the Job the same weekend they had the unprecedented power down and a number of mysterious and so far unidentified workers in and out, and reports of some kind of heavy machinery or construction going on on otherwise empty floors and god knows how may witnesses reporting explosions in the sub levels with seismic data from Pallisades to confirm those reports, not to mention that two of the five dancing Israelis turned out to be MOSSAD eplosives experts and CDI, a demolitions company which was also in charge of cleaning the federal building in OK city being contracted to clean up the site. Silverstein's 'Pull it' and the BBC and CNN reporting that WTC 7 had collapsed before it had collaped... the list of oddities, largely ignored by debunkers is longer than I care to type.
No traces of explosives found eh? Is that because they weren't looking for traces of explosives, or because we are required to ignore the elevated tritium levels or the thermite traces that WERE found by later independent investigations. The crime scene was cleaned up and the scrap metal was hauled off under the heaviest security ever given to scrap metal and debris despite objections from a plethora of Authorities. There had been NO INVESTIGATION of 9-11, a committee is not an investigation.
Originally posted by thereaintnospoon
But it should be clear now that you cannot "argue" with someone like mmiichael. He's desperately holding on to his own reality as any changes would probably be of severe consequences to him. Like many, he'd rather ridicule the truth than face it. Either that or he's one of those cointelpro agents who's purpose on these boards is to cause confusion and division.
Originally posted by thereaintnospoon
with all these "coinincidenes" is that it's very possible and even probable that these Israeli controlled companies cooperated with the Mossad and helped spread the word to fellow Israeli's/jews that an event is coming (the so called attack).
rawstory.com...
The Supreme Court has rejected a class-action lawsuit against Saudi Arabia brought by 9/11 survivors and relatives of those killed in the attacks.
The court’s decision Monday not to allow an appeal of the case to go forward effectively ends an effort by some 6,000 9/11 relatives and survivors to sue the government of Saudi Arabia and several members of the Saudi royal family over the country’s alleged behind-the-scenes role in the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Citing the 9/11 Commission report and numerous other documents, the plaintiffs had argued that Saudi royals were among the largest contributors to charities that funneled money to Al Qaeda, AP reported Monday.
In its decision, the Supreme Court let stand a federal appeals court’s ruling that “sovereign immunity” — the notion that a country can’t be sued in another country’s courts — means that the lawsuit cannot go forward.
That was more or less the position of the Obama administration as well, which sided with the defendants and urged the courts to dismiss the lawsuit.
Lawyers for the 9/11 families argued in a brief submitted to the court this month that the White House’s desire to end the lawsuit was an “apparent effort to appease a sometime ally” that is important to the U.S.’s energy security.
Last week, the New York Times ran a story outlining the evidence the 9/11 families had put forward, evidence the paper said showed “extensive financial support for Al Qaeda and other extremist groups by members of the Saudi royal family.”