Off-duty officer shoots 2 in lot after Angels game, page 3
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reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:02 AM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Kevin_X2


If they were you're kids you wouldnt have been allowed to arm yourself.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:03 AM by Nutter
Originally posted by elevatedone
reply to post by Nutter


I don't know all the state laws, but I would hope that in most states you have the right to defend yourself, your family and personal property if you feel your life may be in danger.

That being said we do have a messed up legal system, so who knows.


I agree with you, but look at the link I posted from the Angels Stadium Security.

It specifically states that NO weapons of any kind are allowed. Therefore the policeman was unlawfull. Defending his family or not.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:05 AM by elevatedone
reply to post by Nutter


Do we know if being a Policman overrides that rule? Even though it's posted, the law stating that he may carry or is required to carry, may make him exempt.



reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:06 AM by semperfortis
reply to post by Nutter


As a Police Officer the regulations of "Private Security Firms" do not apply..

I can carry anywhere in the United States.

The only exceptions are those regulated by the Federal Government.

ie. Airplanes, Airports, Nuclear Facilities, Some other Federal buildings etc

Semper


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:08 AM by djvexd
reply to post by elevatedone


Police officers are exempt from the no-carry rule in ALL cases EXCEPT, federally protected buildings and other appointed areas. Baseball stadiums are not one of those.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:09 AM by Nutter
Originally posted by elevatedone
reply to post by Nutter


Do we know if being a Policman overrides that rule? Even though it's posted, the law stating that he may carry or is required to carry, may make him exempt.


Being off duty means he can't carry. If he was on-duty, then yes he could carry. But he was off-duty.

Here is an e-mail someone recieved from Anneheim themselves.

Quote:
From: BallParkInfo
Subject: RE: Security question about Anaheim Stadium

Thank you for taking the time to write to Angels Baseball.

We have checked with the Anaheim Police Department who have told us that absolutely no one can bring any weapons but APD, or ON-DUTY law enforcement who is attached to APD i.e. - Secret Service.

We know that this is a sensitive issue but the policy is very clear and we hope this doesn't deter you and your group from enjoying a spring day or evening at the ballpark!

We hope this answers your question and if you have any other questions or comments, please feel free to write again.

Regards,
Angels Baseball


I got that from another thread.

www.calccw.com...


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:09 AM by grimreaper797
Originally posted by alyosha1981
I gonna go with the facts we have for now, but even so he still had other options besides to shoot.


WONDERFUL, we have an eyewitness to the scene! That is the only way you could both stick to the facts and claim he had other options. You must have been there if you know his options were numerous.

If you want to stick to the facts, then stick to them.

You know a man with his family was attacked and you know he shot them in the altercation. That is what you know. You know he is an off duty cop, and you know it happened at a baseball game. That is what you know, and probably all you know.


All I know is if I was carrying, got hit in the head with some sort of item causing a head wound, and saw two men coming at me and my family, my children, I wouldn't second guess myself when I decided to shoot them.

Now if the guys were running away and he shot them, then by all means, lock the guy up. But if the two men who were shot were not running away, or just standing there idle after throwing the bottle, force was warranted.

You have just been attacked, hit in the head. Two men are coming toward you, assuming they aren't standing there idle or running away. That is an incredibly pressuring and dangerous situation, especially with your family there.

Further more, I would find it hard to believe that he would have shot them if they were just standing there idle or running away. If he were capable of doing that, he would have done it on the job already, where he was more likely to get away with it.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:10 AM by Nutter
Originally posted by semperfortis
reply to post by Nutter


As a Police Officer the regulations of "Private Security Firms" do not apply..

I can carry anywhere in the United States.

The only exceptions are those regulated by the Federal Government.

ie. Airplanes, Airports, Nuclear Facilities, Some other Federal buildings etc

Semper


According to the Stadium itself, you would be unlawfull by carrying if you are off-duty.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:11 AM by Nutter
Originally posted by djvexd
reply to post by elevatedone


Police officers are exempt from the no-carry rule in ALL cases EXCEPT, federally protected buildings and other appointed areas. Baseball stadiums are not one of those.


Please see the e-mail from the Angels themselves. Thanks.



reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:12 AM by grimreaper797
reply to post by Nutter


He should serve time for breaking that law then. Probably illegal possession of a fire arm.

But as the old saying goes, I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:13 AM by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by Nutter


Sounds like as long as you're APD you can carry in the stadium. If you are not APD then you have to be both working with them and on-duty.

That's how it's worded.
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