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Topic started on 25-6-2009 @ 04:13 AM by alyosha1981

Off-duty officer shoots 2 in lot after Angels game


news.yahoo.com
ANAHEIM, Calif. – An off-duty police officer shot and wounded two men who had assaulted him in the crowded Angel Stadium parking lot after Wednesday night's Colorado Rockies-Los Angeles Angels game, authorities said.

The officer, who was walking to his car with his wife and small children about 25 minutes after the game, was hit in the head with an object, police Sgt. Tim Schmidt said.

The off-duty officer then shot the men with his duty weapon, Schmidt said. Police did not immediately identify the officer or the shooting
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reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:19 AM by alyosha1981
reply to post by CX


He(officer) was apparently hit in the head with an object, what was the object? they don't say was it a bullet? I think not.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:25 AM by cropmuncher
reply to post by alyosha1981

I am in agreement with cx, in this case the guy had every right to defend himself, he was with his family who were in danger.
I normally am on the side of victim when its the police who have acted above the law but not this time, he was protecting his family & anyone would do the same.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:25 AM by Kaytagg
reply to post by CX


Guns are dangerous, and should not be used wantonly.

The only time you ever point a gun at somebody is if you're going to shoot them. The only time you shoot them is if you're 100% ready to kill them.

Don't they teach firearm safety to cops?


Edit to add: We don't know the facts of the case. The cop could have been hit in the head by an empty beer can. Wait for more information to come out before taking the side of somebody who just shot two people, imo.

[edit on 25-6-2009 by Kaytagg]


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:26 AM by CX
Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by CX


He(officer) was apparently hit in the head with an object, what was the object? they don't say was it a bullet? I think not.


The officer, who was walking to his car with his wife and two small children about 25 minutes after the game, was hit in the head with a bottle or club, police Sgt. Tim Schmidt said.


A bottle or a club can kill you if you are hit hard enough, are you going to risj finding out in front of your wife and kids? I certainly wouldn't.

It makes no odds if he was attacked with a bullet, if you think your life is at risk, you are going to do whatever you can to stop it happening.

The officer also had a serious head wound


I'm not sure what consitutes a "serious head wound", i must admit he doesn't look that bad at up on the trolley there, but it's apparent he was at least attacked.

Again though, attack a man in front of his family, and you should expect little leniancy in the response.

CX.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:31 AM by CX
Originally posted by Kaytagg
reply to post by CX


Guns are dangerous, and should not be used wantonly.

The only time you ever point a gun at somebody is if you're going to shoot them. The only time you shoot them is if you're 100% ready to kill them.


Very true, and as you say, we don't really know the full facts of the case.

However going by the facts we are given in the article, if someone tried to wrap a bottle or club around my head when my little ones were with me, i would indeed point my gun at them and intend wholeheartedly to shoot them.

What if that club kills you there and then, what happens to your little ones stood there? Sorry, i wouldn't wait to find that one out.

Lots of "what if's" though, and as you say, no definates on the facts. I'm only giving an opinion on what i think i would do in that situation.

CX.


[edit on 25/6/09 by CX]



reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:33 AM by alyosha1981
reply to post by CX


So he was left with no other option but to fire? He couldn't have perhaps drew down on the men while his family went to safety and called police? he just fired? not good, obviously more information is needed, but to me it soulds like he possibly "got into it" with the men inside the stadium, then when the game was finished they all continued it out in the parking lot.

What kind of man alows conflict to escalate while he has his wife and kids with him anyways?


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:35 AM by badgerprints
Originally posted by Kaytagg
reply to post by CX



Edit to add: We don't know the facts of the case. The cop could have been hit in the head by an empty beer can. Wait for more information to come out before taking the side of somebody who just shot two people, imo.

[edit on 25-6-2009 by Kaytagg]


Good advice. Why not take it and wait for more detail before taking a side yourself.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:42 AM by alyosha1981
reply to post by cropmuncher



Most "regular" people don't carry and the small percentage that do(legally) would have still been spotlighted the same if one were to have done this. Cop on duty, off duty, civilian doesn't matter he had other options.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 04:48 AM by alyosha1981
reply to post by cropmuncher


I agree that more info is needed so I guess we;ll just wait and see what is released and when, I'll be looking for good word play by the media.



reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 05:01 AM by alyosha1981
reply to post by CX


I gonna go with the facts we have for now, but even so he still had other options besides to shoot. I can understand the need to protect but what about the trauma those kids suffered possibly seeing daddy shoot two men?


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 05:18 AM by Kaytagg
Originally posted by CX
Originally posted by Kaytagg
reply to post by CX


Guns are dangerous, and should not be used wantonly.

The only time you ever point a gun at somebody is if you're going to shoot them. The only time you shoot them is if you're 100% ready to kill them.


Very true, and as you say, we don't really know the full facts of the case.

However going by the facts we are given in the article, if someone tried to wrap a bottle or club around my head when my little ones were with me, i would indeed point my gun at them and intend wholeheartedly to shoot them.

What if that club kills you there and then, what happens to your little ones stood there? Sorry, i wouldn't wait to find that one out.

Lots of "what if's" though, and as you say, no definates on the facts. I'm only giving an opinion on what i think i would do in that situation.

CX.


[edit on 25/6/09 by CX]


I agree completely. What is being overshadowed here is that somebody would be mean spirited enough to attack a father in front of his own kids. Children don't need to be exposed to that sort of thing.

I hope the people that threw the bottle get charges pressed against them and pay for their pointless act of violence, but I also hope the cop gets his day in court as well. I don't think shooting the attackers was necessarily the first and best course of action to take on his part.

Just my two cents


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 05:34 AM by CX
Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by CX


I gonna go with the facts we have for now, but even so he still had other options besides to shoot. I can understand the need to protect but what about the trauma those kids suffered possibly seeing daddy shoot two men?


Fair one. Then again if it was a decision on having my girls see there daddy shoot someone, or have them see someone club their daddy...possibly hard enough to kill him....i know which one i'd go with.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this on lol.

I am posting as a dad of two girls who are my whole world, the thought of anyone or thing even coming close to harming them is probably the only thing on this planet that makes me feel anger that i would ordinarily find concerning.

Oh well, and another day, another subject here on ATS, thanks for the thread.

Take care,

CX.

[edit on 25/6/09 by CX]
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