Iranian revolt Explained - Wake Up!, page 3

reply to post by Doomsday 2029

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You said this revolution is not about oil.

But surely, at this point, we can all see it's not just about the election anymore, either.

It's way past that.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029

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I absolutely agree with everything you said.

The motivations behind all this conflict is vastly more complicated than any of us know.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029

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Great point.

This has come up before however...

Which is it?

Has the US/UK caused or fermented the Iranian issue?

OR?

Has TPTB taken advantage of the situation?

Either way it works out for the US/UK, West.

I know for some this may seem a simplified reason behind it but I'll ask you this. Do these "pieces" Fit?

Oh and by they way I didn't coin the phrase The Great Game

Iran at Center of Discussion for G8 Foreign Ministers

Iran, like other neighbors of Afghanistan and Pakistan, was invited to attend the summit. But tensions between the West and Tehran have risen since Iran's disputed June 12 election. And, the Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Motaki said on Wednesday he had no plans to attend the meeting.

Iran has accused Western powers of supporting street protests against the re-election of hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Protests continue in Tehran and in many Western countries. A group of demonstrators also gathered in the city center of Trieste.

reply to post by Lazyninja

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"Akums Razor" (the simplest explanation is usually correct)

reply to post by SLAYER69

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Man! Love this subject! S&F

I'm with you all the way with the great game world scenario! but!...

We must take into account and into the equation that some people of all levels of the Iranian society actually want to be more free! - honest! promise! - I'm not lying here!

The uprising in Iran was long overdue, since the latest student uprising 2003 more and more Iranians of several levels of society are longing for more freedom.

Western & foreign forbidden movies, the Internet, travelling abroad to Turkey, Thailand, UAE etc, photos and stories from their parents has planted a romantic view of the west that makes their children of the revolution very curious of us here in the west!

They want to listen to any music they like (heavy metal is forbidden = Satan's music) being able to wear blue jeans and make-up legal in public! (the females of course)

The would like to be able to speak with opposite sex at the neighbourhood square a friday night, holding hands, maybe kiss eachother goodnight?

So they are now demanding reforms and a more secular society.

Then you have ALL suppressed Iranian women of all ages who are getting harrassed by the moral police & Bajis on daily basis!

They want to dress as they like and dump the head-scarf to feel the wind in their hair on the beach! They are also furious of a coming Law from the conservatives (That the glourios leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has promised the men) which would give the men the right to take a second wife!

The men are fed up with, that they can't hold their loved ones hand in public and can't download porn as they surely want?

At least they want to be able to have a legal satellite dish so they can watch Italian soccer during the weekends at home, sippin' Tea and eating baklava at the same time in peace from the Bajis & the moral police!

They would also love to be able to talk to a unknown women that they like and fancy - in public ! - a great and easier way if you are looking for a wife to get married with for example!

Man! they want a little more personal freedom - things we take for granted here in the west!

Well! If you get my drift you know what I mean! fill in the rest!

reply to post by trollz

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Very good question.

It's not just a struggle for "oil" so we can burn it there is tons of money to made from the sale. Also controlling or having a major influence on where it goes also controls economies around the world. It should surprise nobody that China and the US are headed for a confrontation.

My personal opinion is that we should get off the oil crutch that we have been on for decades.

It's our Achilles heel.

By controlling or influencing the oil. One has a Chip in the game.

Related ATS thread

Originally posted by SLAYER69
China and US head for trade war

China could face censure at the World Trade Organisation after the US and Europe lodged a joint complaint over its restrictions on raw materials exports

Europe and the United States announced last night co-ordinated action against China for busting World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules by restricting exports of essential raw materials, raising fears of a damaging east-west trade war in the depths of the global recession.

Ron Kirk, the US trade representative, accused Beijing of putting a "giant thumb on the scale" by restricting exports of commodities including silicon, coke and zinc, to give Chinese manufacturers an unfair advantage over their international rivals. "It's our job to make sure we remove that thumb from that scale," he said in Washington. "Today's action is proof of our commitment to level the playing field in this area."

Originally posted by RDR17
reply to post by FlyersFan

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So true! Good post. Human beings want to live in freedom. End of story. My wife tells me that the people there are so different than how they are portrayed in our media. There are well educated, and most love the American People and what this country is supposed to stand for. All the global power positioning clouds what is really a simple issue. People of all types desire freedom and peace.

This country proves that under the right set of circumstances people from all walks of life, all religions, all races, can live amongst one another in relative peace.

Well said my friend! I am a Canadian-Persian, lived in Canada for 20 years now, left Iran when I was 10. I guess I would say Canada is my home, but isn't better to say Earth is my home!?

I recall when I was in Iran all the young generations (my age at the time) loved US, because people were 'FREE". Sure the more we learn about the government now we realized we're not as free as we think, but even the illusion of freedom is good enough for many to live happily and in peace, that's what they're all fighting for.

It's funny I think Iranian government is the main reason that caused the younger generation to be PRO-US (which is a huge majority of Iran's population). When I was young I recall how every morning before school started all the students had to go to the court yard to stretch, warm up and chant "I hate America" ten times (trying to brain wash us).

It's as if when you go to a zoo and you see the sign on the glass "Do not tap on the glass"... well what do you do? you "tap on the glass"!! It's in our nature as human to be Curious, it is what makes us who we are, so the more you yell I hate USA the more you think the grass is greener on the other side and you become intrigue by the other side (it had the reverse effect)

So I think that the Iranian government is the cause of which the people of Iran are fighting for now... FREEDOM that they once saw US portray.

Thank you for your support of humanity!

reply to post by freighttrain

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So funny. My friends and I always call ourselves Freight Train on every team we are on. Bowling, Fantasy Football, etc.

My wife came here when she was 11 and didn't speak a word of English. Iran has become an important issue to me, as it obviously is with her and my in-laws. I think people get so caught up in all the surrounding issues when it comes to everything political that they lose sight of a simple philosophy. People deserve to be free. Freedom begets peace, prosperity, and security. Many of our leaders have used the cause of Freedom to expand their own power base, but the truth is that if this country, and the EU, Canada, et al. SINCERELY stood for human freedom the waters would become much less muddy, and peace would become much more attainable.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

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America is broken country why no fix before making problems in other countries?

30 millions in jail
dead economy
liars and theif in governments and bank
so much has no house or medicine and aid

look at katrina storm, make governments look so bad and still is bad there

better to watch tv and eat big mac and shop at walmart to bring happiness?

very sad logic

reply to post by PrincessJasmin

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Okay..... Well, you don't know me, so, pffft. If you think that I am some flag waiving American who condones everything America does, you're way off base. However, I don't believe that we're some damn fairy floating around spreading disorder in every crook and cranny either.

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