Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by spellbound
It is time someone ended the Roman Catholic Church. They are hypocites, they are sinners, and they have no right to brainwash poeple and proclaim what
is right and wrong.
Matthew 16:18 ... Jesus gives them that right. It is the job of the Catholic Church to tell it's flock what it believes to be right and wrong.
They are doing their job.
You don't like it??? Then ... Don't be Catholic.
I can see that this OLD NEWS is being portrayed as something that it's not ... and it's just being used as an excuse for another 'bash the Catholic
faith' thread. A waste of bandwidth IMHO.
This is a lie. The church Jesus is talking about is not physical at all. He uses the rock to describe things which are built on wisdom, and sand
for those that are not.
Try putting the verses in context please.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in
heaven.
18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou
shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Tell me, how did Peter die?
The church is built out of understanding and wisdom and it is within. The kingdom of heaven is within, and so the keys to heaven are also within.
As this church is built upon understanding and wisdom, it is both present on earth and in heaven, and what is gained and lost happens in both.
As it is within rather than the physical, no man can take it from you.
All that is being done is the catholic church is a replacement for it. No different than the pharisees sitting in the seat of moses. And of course
this has happened
because they killed anyone who didn't go along, which is prophecy fulfilled. True followers of Jesus have been killed over
and over by the church. Jesus says those who believe will be hated and persecuted until the end, and your
religion is one of the, if not the
most powerful religion and
belief systems on the planet.
You say he gave the church that power in that verse, but conveniently ignore the fact he said there is only 1 true teacher.
The only thing the catholic church and those churches based on it can expect to hear is Matthew 7.
I know you not.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
And yet, according to you the Catholic Church has the power to do whatever it wants to do.
It's a Satanic Cult that got it's power through death and destruction while killing and torturing everyone who didn't go along.
Your post only goes to show just who they follow and serve, doctrines of men.
[edit on 25-6-2009 by badmedia]