Show me infallible proof of creationism

i thought i was at least fairly clear on stating that creationists dont bother trying to prove creation, just disprove evolution and that there isnt any "proof." the best they can do is say theyve had "experiences"

expanding on that, these "experiences" dont mean a thing to anyone else.

reply to post by sobek52

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Good topic.....now both evolution and creationism are to some extent right and wrong. In evolution you have the missing link....and in creation you have the missing physical god.
I read a book years ago, I think the title was Man first, then Adam. It basically took the book of Genesis and examined it on a modern technical level....it made alot of sense. Using our modern minds to fill in the gaps of what was impossible to understand then.
Then you have the Sumerian take on the subject, which makes alot more sense than the bible. That prehistoric man was engineered to be a worker out of both his DNA and the DNA of the Annunaki. Interesting that humans are the only species that has evolved to this level.....when you consider there are many older species who are, to some extent, the same as they were 1,000,000 years ago.
This topic is one that will go on endlessly, belief is just that, belief. I can see where there are flaws in all beliefs....when you ask the question in modern religion, the answer is faith....ask the question in evolution, the answer is the missing link.....somewhere, sometime, someone will get the answer....But unfortunitily they will not be able to tells us....for national security reasons

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

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The experiences may mean a lot among different groups of creationists.

Creationism is based on faith. Faith is the opposite of evidence. They're tricky, they've made it so you really can't disprove Creationism because you can't physically prove it, either.

I personally believe evolution is 100% accurate, but some people are Creationist and Evolutionist at the same time? It's all very complicated.

What good is disproving evolution if you dont bother to support your own claims? pretty close to saying -I DONT KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED BUT IT ISN'T THIS THEORY THAT HAS PROOF!!!-

reply to post by ufoptics

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I think other species have evolved to better levels. Many species have stayed at the same place evolutionarily for millions of years, which means that they are evolutionarily successful. We keep changing, therefore we're not. We do have intelligence, but many other species do. We cannot fly or live underwater. We do not possess sonar or the ability to survive in extreme conditions. We are awesome at killing things and destroying things for our advantage, though.

reply to post by sobek52

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People claim evolution has enough gaps to render it false.

Ask them, not me. But that's their stance and if they believe it, that's their right. They just might be wrong.

reply to post by ravenshadow13

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YES! Science admits when it is wrong and reshapes to accommodate the new prooven evidence. Faith denies all but itself, and will only reshape through theology to suit it's purposes!

reply to post by sobek52

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Right. I mean, I think that's how it works. But I am very lacking in the faith department myself and would not know if it were more complex than that.

To throw it out there- Some people acquire faith because of medical conditions like brain tumors or seizure conditions. Although this is rare, certain conditions have side effects of religious euphoria and the person may not know they have a condition. Not to say everyone religious is physically ill, but perhaps physical and genetic differences in specific areas of the brain due to genetics or development or whatever can lead to a tendency to have more religious faith. Maybe if an area of the brain is more sensitive, or larger, or the neurons are more concentrated, it has that effect.

yeah i know. what i meant about the experiences not meaning anything is that as proof it means nothing. anecdotal evidence has very little use to someone not already believing

and i dont know how creationism and evolution can coincide in someone's belief system.

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

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The idea I've heard is that God CREATED the impetus for evolution, and therefore created man. Through evolution.

Why not? Can't you see the possibility that the creation story is a simplified explanation of evolution by pre-science scholars?

The Bible isn't supposed to be taken literally, and it isn't a scientific explanation of life.

Really? Try telling that to bible bashers who make you think you'll be condemned to Hell for being a non-believer.

reply to post by PrisonerOfSociety

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Whoooo boy! I hear them rant, and when they try to convert me or damn me i laugh and laaauugh!

If there are any religious people here, can they answer these questions:

If god created the universe, then who created god?

If god is omnipotent can he create a rock that even he cannot lift?

Do you believe in free choice? If so, how can god be omniscient if he does not know what you are going to do next? Free choice does not exist in a universe with an omniscient god.

Out of the thousands of gods, which god is the true god?

Why does god favour slavery in the bible? He speaks of beating your slaves and how much they are worth.

Why doesn't god heal amputees? No matter how much praying you do, their limb will never grow back.

Why doesn't god do something to feed all the starving children in the world? You can pray for them to be fed, but they will still die by the millions.

my problem with that is, there isnt any (biblical) basis for that claim. it seems kind of pulled out of thin air so the beliefs dont become obsolete while there is (biblical)support for direct creation of man.

NOTE: specifically mentioned the bible because i cant account for all religious texts. and i dont mean to be an ass about any of this, just being blunt in an attempt to be clear.

reply to post by ravenshadow13

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Ok, you are firm in what you believe, I'm cool with that. What I am saying is that no matter what we believe....it is just that, belief. Creation &/or Evolution are only beliefs, neither one proven.....Darwin didn't prove evolution, it is only a theory. And the Bible is not proof, after all it was written by man.
So here we are again, full circle to BELIEF.....is just that simple. And once again I'll say......somewhere, someone, sometime will have the proof, but we can see it because Reasons of National Security.

reply to post by ufoptics

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Actually Evolution has been proven time and time again. The Theory of Evolution deals with explaining how Evolution works. Evolution itself is not a Theory.

reply to post by ufoptics

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Yes, but there is actually evidence to support evolution. The only thing that supports the Creation Myth is the Torah (Old Testament, using it's original name, as in the Jewish Holy Book), which is a collection of stories which were passed down orally (remember the game 'telephone'?) until they were written down by Moses. In other words, a story created by an ancient nomadic people who knew nothing about science. There is a big difference!

reply to post by sobek52

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Ok, science admits its wrong, because all science is based on theory. There is hard science and it is pretty factual, but in most cases science is just a theory with alot of good math and big words.
If we were to believe science about 400 years ago, we would have fall off the earth if we sailed to far into the atlantic ocean.
Not to mention that most of all space related discoveries are based on theories. We give ourselves way too much credit....We don't know crap, we just like believing we do. At the end of the day, it makes us feel confortable in our lil ole existance that we've got a handle on things.

reply to post by PieKeeper

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Than why is it called The Theory of Evolution? If it was not a theory, it would be called The Facts Of Evolution. Just me thinking in side the little box again.........