200 years to ET-Disclosure

The reasoning and logic is wrong because now we have technology and so whistleblowers have easier access to leak out info.

Plus it won't be long till they all land here anyways, so it's not a question of 100+ years, but 2-3 TOPS.

reply to post by Skyfloating



"Widespread discussion of UFOs and Extraterrestrials began around 1950 so we should have full contact by 2150. "

your reasoning is tenuous at best, with blatant logical oversights throughout. Sorry, but this time it's a fail.
continue the research...

[edit on 25-6-2009 by eniac]

]
Widespread discussion of UFOs and Extraterrestrials began around 1950 so we should have full contact by 2150. "

Interesting angle, but imo your reasoning is tenuous at best, with several logical oversights. Sorry, but this time it's a fail.

continue the research...

Well the last thing the governments would want would be to have one land in a major city.

There would have to be some general disclosure through leaks in the media to get the 'folks' attention and interest. Once they have had some exposure to the issue, the people will begin to see themselves in a new light; as a part of the cosmos rather than apart.

The reveal-ation of aliens would advance mankind to a whole new level of existence and dimensional abilities. I'd rather get it over with now before the world is more divided and conquered 'of' each other than it already is.

Deception has never been a good policy unto man-kind. It only breeds distrust and discomfort among his brethren though unfortunately, the ATS folk has discovered just how much deception has been going on in the Federal and World govts. as of 'recent'?

I believe the MOSSAD motto,

'By Way of Deception, thou shalt do War'

has, unfortunately been taken to 'heart'? by many so-called Federal and World governments of whom dangle by the threads of the Oligarchal Pinnochio brothers. Some feel the 'need' to control others since they themselves have no control over their fear of 'having' no control in their own lives. Who controls 'you'? We have always had that choice. Now that the 'folks' see themselves and their 'roles' in the Matrix, they have yet discovered the effects of taking off their collective masks.

The folks have been folked for long enough. Fortunately, Freedom of Will is a 'natural' trait in Man and always prevails in the End. The NWO crowd is in dire need of a cosmic education. No more 'War Games' boys, your game is up and the public will soon demand a financial as well as spiritual 'refund'.

UN, WHO, World Bank, IMF....yes, the folk are catching the trend and would rather avoid the pending tsunami of chaos of which is 'just' around that corner. I wish that all the 'folk' out there in 'society' land are prepared for their next lesson.

I've always preferred a kayak to a steamboat. The Captain always had his say where the boat went. The people were often found up the River without 'their' paddle. The Steamboat Captain simply took orders from above and never thought to question 'his' Owner.

Funny how our brain tells us to 'observe' sites such as these while are hearts tell us to contribute. This would be a fine addition to 'society'.

I, personally have always preferred Kings of 'Heart' over Kings of spades though at times it is necessary to carry a Spade in one's back pocket for there are Tyrants amuck and their getting stuck. In the meanwhile, the people are catching UP.

On the other hand, when I gamble, I always prefer King of Spades though I'll have to assume that is by design. When one leaves the casino, they are often left with one gamble.....where the 'exit' exists. Is it funny how casinos never advertise their exits? I'll have to suppose that is by design as well? Of course so...... as Truth itself needs no interpreter, the man-king finds time and again to wear no clothes; only cloaks masked in paranoia to fit ones shame....their debt unto themselves.

Whenever one has feelings of 'grandeur' it may help one to imagine themselves from the perspective of an Ant seen from a scope in the cosmos. The scope magnifies ones' significance...as a....atom unto a Sea.

Perspective is key. TM'ed? One can never trad'e-mark a Natural Right.

As I leap from the soapbox to the bed of dreams. Dream on folks, then take Action. You 'know' what to do. We often 'realize' what where told? Negative. The Truth comes from within; always has.

May there be Peace? among the brethren of the Crust.



[edit on 25-6-2009 by Perseus Apex]

reply to post by Skyfloating


Yeah I get what your trying to say. But I think your a little off on the percentage of people that are ready for disclosure. I think I'm just your average person, and all my friends are pretty average as well. And all of us see the importance of disclosure happening soon. Our circle of friendship is growing......just like plenty of other believers out there......mass consciousness is growing....people are spreading the word, preparing themselves and opening peoples minds every day. The number of disclosure ready people has been growing for years........and we've grown stronger than a measley 1 percent...believe me.

Anytime a more advanced technological civilization has "met up" with a less advanced civilization what has happened to the less advance civilization?

Usually the more advance civilization conquers and assimilates the less advance civilization.

When mankind has gone to war to conquer another group it has usually been a in your face, known (overt) aggressive act.

One example is the white man landing on what is now known as the Americas and the white man only had a couple hundred years of technology over the Indians. Most American Indians no longer know their own language or history. They have also embraced the White Man's religion, the religion of their conquerors, Christianity.

Same goes for the Black people of America that were brought over (overtly) as slaves. Most black people of America no longer know their tribal language, their folk lores and embrace the White Man's religion (Christianity).

Possibly with a more technologically and smarter society, their method of conquering is more subtle, more covert, secretive and could result in the vanquished not even knowing until after the fact (and it's too late) that they have been conquered and "assimilated".

A slave that doesn't realize he/she is a slave will not rebel.

People think that "the aliens" will naturally be more spiritually evolved, more compassionate more "enlightened". Not necessarily. That is a false hope.

Many people belive that to be able to travel the barriers of space, time and different dimensions one must be more advance spiritually and morally as well as technologically. I don't think that is the case.

All civilizations develope at their own individual pace. Some develope their technology at the expense or in place of their spiritual and vice versa. You don't have to be "spiritually clean" to travel space, time and dimensions, you just have to have the technology and maybe that technology was at the expense of spiritual development.

Disclosure may not be the bed of roses mankind is hoping for.

I am sure there are nice ets and not so nice ets. Like humans you must judge a being by their actions and not words.

Survival is a hard game, and all beings have as a first prime directive to survive. If you watch Animal Planet all animals, including man strive to survive at the expense of other lesser "advance" creatures.

There is a food chain and man is not at the top of it as much as he would like to believe he is.

Personally I use to want disclosure for I am a forthright and honest person and hate games and secret agendas, but, I don't think disclosure is going to be in humanity's best interest where ets are concerned.

Another aspect of war/survival is that when a civilization conquers another less evolved civilization the conquerors "mix their blood with the vanquished" in order to facilitate "true" biological assimilation both culturally and on a DNA (blood) level. In other words, there are very few "pure" Indians, most have a lot of "White Blood" in them, same goes for most of the blacks that live in America and many English have "Roman" blood / DNA.

When one society takes over another they also conquer the "gene pool" as well.

Take that logic one step further, read "The Threat" by David Jacobs. Millions of people now have claimed to have been abducted. Some of the people (our fellow human brothers and sisters) that claim to be abductees appear to be very credible, sane and honest "normal" functioning people.

Too many stories point to the same possiblity, our gene pool has already been tampered with multiple times by beings not quite "human".

Now think, and I know it's scary so scary in fact most people shun the possility - if just a fraction of these "abduction" stories are true we as a species must really begin to question the true agenda of these beings.

If just some of these abduction stories are true, "they" think of us just like we think of lab rats and have no regard for our emotional or physical welfare. If some of "them" that don't perform abductions but are aware and quietly allow this breach of human rights to take place "they" also are to be questioned as far as ethics.

I won't even address cattle mutations. Some how, anyone that could / would do that to another creature is just not a nice person/being in my book.

No I do not eat meat and am a tree hugger.

Too many fellow humans have been saying their eggs, sperm, fetuses (babies) and other bodily fluids have been extracted, they've been probed, their minds tampered with, time lost and just generally messed with.

If a fellow human, say the guy that lives next door to you kidnapped you for a few hours, restrained you and took some of your blood and gave you a very intimate exam, wouldn't you be ticked? Well these "guys" aren't even "human".

Disclosure may just mean that when it does come about it will be the final announcement that man has already been conquered and assimilated.

No, personally I don't think "they're intentions" are in humanity's best interest. "They" have their own dark secret agenda and at the top of that agenda is the survival and profit of their own species whatever species that may be.

When you add in the mix too of the possiblity of different dimensions and worlds within worlds and spaces within spaces the possiblities of various life forms different than our own becomes mind boggling.

We are not alone, nor have we ever been alone.

Maybe and it's all speculation we are just another comodity, like pork bellies that can be bought, sold, experimented on and the such.

Maybe we are looked upon by some of these entities much like we look upon our domestic animals to be used and perfectly expendable.

If someone means you no harm, they are usually forthright, honest and above board.

If someone has a "secret" agenda and their intentions are not in your best interest they are usually sneaky and dishonest.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


A secret agenda could easily be non-obtrusive observation? If a lot of alien cultures that could contact citizens of our planet were part of a governed, scientific group, then it's completely possible that we are a planet marked for observation with an intended limited, inconclusive awareness.

There are numerous reasons why this could be beneficial, and numerous studies where alien species would either rely on the lack of awareness, or would find it an important contrast to a study with aware participants.


[edit on 25-6-2009 by maus80]

reply to post by maus80
Yes I am sure that we are also being observed.

However I also believe there are more than one group of beings involved.

Some are observing but some are not just observers.

video.google.com...#

Does mankind himself "just observe" no part of his "exploration" has led to conquests.

I also believe fractions of our world governments know some of what is going on.

My big question is why the secrecy?

As stated before, I have found in my own experiences that if someone is sneaky and secretive their intentions are usually not benevolent.


[edit on 25-6-2009 by ofhumandescent]

So they were talking about the internet 200 years before it was finnally completed? ET are here, listen to buzz aldrin, edgar mitchell, i cant see them just waiting around in space for another 200 years.

I like the point about disclosure not being a one sided process. I would say there is a decent chance of it happening by accident, or stuumbling upon some coded information or signal.

good point ..to whomever mentioned it...

[edit on 25-6-2009 by open_eyeballs]

I dont believe they are out to destroy us, they would of done it a long time ago when humans hadnt used half the earths recourses. Yes there probaly are evil races in space, but thankfully we havnt met them yet.

According to time wave zero, your logic may not apply.

By then....We will be extinct....or....we might still be around....BUT, i HIGHLY doubt it........any scientist will agree that we are in the "process" of extinction.....Only....Disclosure of technologies that are beneficial will help...


Id say....within this century.....no more than that....

ETs are here to witness our galactic birth or our EPIC demise......WE, are the choice makers.....


[edit on 25-6-2009 by GOTZEUS]

The industrial Revolution started in the early 1700's in England so 18th century would be more accurate. Also people wern't asking for disclosure of factory machines and automobiles....

You forget buddy, that time is speeding up exponentially and our exchange of information and the level of technology brings it closer like nothing before. You might be wrong on this. We not only plan for Disclosure it is happening massively and not only behind the curtains.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


I agree with you ofhumandescent. I think about it every day. We could easily be used for all purposes, not just "enlightenment". This also has to include the animals. I'm starting to really feel guilty for going savage on the meat.

you forgot
Nikola Tesla
his inventions
were 2000 years
ahead of his time

and look what
arrogant, selfish,
unintelligent humans
did to him!

so, I think you will
have to wait for another
2000 years...

... if your, so called,
'civilization' survive
in the first place

Originally posted by Truth hunter
You forget buddy, that time is speeding up exponentially and our exchange of information and the level of technology brings it closer like nothing before. You might be wrong on this. We not only plan for Disclosure it is happening massively and not only behind the curtains.

what good
is the speeding
of time
when
you are falling
into
abyss

look around
you, your
planet is dying

and time is
speeding up
to Her death

Originally posted by jpm06002
we live in exponential times. doesn't need to take that long.

In my opinion this point is more relevant than the OP.

There's a fantastic documentary here at ATS media. For an insight into exponential times and the hypothetical 'singularity', check it out!

Preparing for the Singularity

reply to post by Frith


I don't think anyone could have said that better. I couldnt agree more. The rulers can deny it and run from it or lie about all they want, but when the e.t.'s feel like showing up and telling the whole world, they will.

As far as them being similar or dissimilar to us...since the Universe is infinite and there are unlimited possibilities, there's a very good chance that they are dissimilar to us. But that's not to say that it's not possible for them to be similar to us. So yeah, probably a lot of what we think of as aliens or e.t.'s and what gets reported and "shown" about them is bs and nonsense.