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Taliban defectors: US, Israel funding militants

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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 05:21 PM

Taliban defectors: US, Israel funding militants

Two militants' leaders who defected from notorious Taliban chief in Pakistan have revealed that their comrade was pursuing a US-Israeli agenda across the country.

A prominent militant leader, Turkistan Bittani, who broke away from Baitullah Mehsud, called him "an American agent".

Mehsud, a warlord in his late 30s, has claimed responsibility for dozens of devastating string attacks on both civilians and security forces throughout the feared region.

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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 05:21 PM
This might ring is as just yet again the powers that be continuing to do what they do best to hold there power. The article goes on to say that the drone attacks have not targeted Taliban, but the numerous bombings in religious centers have fueled anti Taliban movements through out Pakistan. So there is some contradiction. However I will say what I think many will when they read this, perhaps the current Taliban chief in Pakistan will turn up dead soon, being that his usefulness had come to an end.
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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 06:05 PM
If you knew anything about the culture of which the Taliban is a part, you would also know how well and how often they do in fact lie. Lying and the telling of falsehoods are seen as acceptable and noteworthy in their culture, as long as it is being done in the name is Islam. You should most certainly not trust an "Ex-Taliban" member's accounts.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 06:17 PM
Here is a quote from one of my posts from the other day I think it's fitting

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by PrisonerOfSociety

Oh I agree it's an endless war. Unlike battles of the past in the region though IMO We have or had rather, been funding both sides of this right up until the latest administration. Now I believe it's time for the Taliban to go away.

They no longer suit the present administrations needs. Oh sure you'll hear about some road side bomb going off then all the naysayers will come crawling out of the woodwork and say see it's a quagmire etc etc etc.

Not realizing The Great Game that is being played out for the masses.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 06:41 PM
WEll, dare I mention that the second last pope is about to die of an heart attack , and the next after that is the last one in the saint malchy prophecy , he is going to move out of the vatikan , and some crap about Iran getting the blame.. any who , Israel (Isis , Ra , El) is going to be attacked during the Night... Why does Iran need torpedoes ? and Afgahnistan buyes 5 million HazMAt suits ??? why why ??

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 07:55 PM
Thanks to everyone who posted.
I do agree that this all could be a lie. As to that end I must also say that it it is all a lie, there should be a benefit to telling the lie. So in this case it would seem it would be to discredit the Taliban commander in Pakistan.
One way or the other, it would seem there are forces behind the scenes at work.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 08:09 PM
There are several 'Talibans' , I do not know to which the above posters refer to as dishonest , perhaps they meant them all . There is a history of the US supporting factions within pakistan, for terrorists type attacks upon Iran. This is not conspiracy theory , but admitted by the US government . Back when Iran caught those british sailors . I think it was abc news that reported it , I am not american or recall their alphabet news agencies too well. If any proof is needed , google will help or i can post further info.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 08:17 PM
I have long felt and believed the CIA funds and controls the Taliban as it is essentially the Mujahedeen that the CIA admits to funding and equipping in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Honestly that’s the kind of relationship that is hard to screw up. I am loyal to a fault to the people who help and assist me towards my goals in life and they are generally always loyal to me too.

I do believe the CIA and the MOSSAD carried out all of 9-11 and did so for various economic and political reasons both domestically and abroad.

Our government caters to special interests business and foreign and it is the corporations that they serve. While many of those corporations are domestically headquartered here in the U.S., they have interests and lucrative ones at that all over the world. I fear to the corporations that control our politicians that we as Americans are just another market to them that they have no special affection for or loyalty towards and would no more hesitate to kill Americans and destroy American property here, than they would to kill Kenyans and destroy property in Kenya. To them it’s just another day and another dollar.

Many people refuse to believe that any American let alone one of high social and economic and political standing could be so evil and so disloyal to their own nation and it’s people, yet obviously as we look at the bailouts and all the manufacturing jobs and customer service jobs that American corporations have exported just to make a few more pennies on the dollar that in fact they are.

The sad thing is the corporations and the government does these things knowing that most Americans just could never bring themselves to believe that a fellow American, an American business, and the American Government could be so self serving, so evil, so duplicitous.

The fact of the matter is our government drops bombs on things and places that they know innocent men, women and children are congregated almost every day.

If they can do it to innocent people abroad, what would keep them from doing it here?

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 08:29 PM
There was another Taliban leader , by the name of Zainuddin who said the same thing regarding the US , but recently got killed by a gunman in Dera Ismail Khan on tuesday. I wonder how long this new 'whistleblower' will remain alive.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 08:40 PM
That is some more good information everyone, thanks again.
Yes this government we have may very well be supporting the corporations that support them with out a care in the world fort he people they are suppose to protect. It is because of that is why we need an insider to blow the whistle. That is part of the reason why I posted this thread. The two who are making these claims are former insiders to the Taliban. So then the question is are they telling the truth? If I see more information about this story I will post it here.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 08:45 PM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I have long felt and believed the CIA funds and controls the Taliban as it is essentially the Mujahedeen that the CIA admits to funding and equipping in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Honestly that’s the kind of relationship that is hard to screw up. I am loyal to a fault to the people who help and assist me towards my goals in life and they are generally always loyal to me too.

The entire history of Earth is full of accounts of enemies, or even not enemies at first but just different people uniting to fight a common enemy to then fight against each other.

This is nothing new, and it will continue happening.

Just because the U.S. funded the Mujahedeen against the Communits Soviets back in the late 70s, and 80s, it doesn't mean they are still funding them now to attack our troops.

Where do you think the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" came from?

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 08:52 PM
For what it's worth:

My step fathers ex-wife's brother (mouth full eh?) is a high level military intelligence officer for the Canadian armed forces, stationed in Afghanistan.

On his last trip home I was given the opportunity to have a conversation with him.

I asked him what he thought of the wars from an Intelligence view point. He claimed that through the use of GPS and drones, they were watching the militants movements almost 24 hours a day. He says they would watch them move into a town, they would send the troops there, remove them, they would then simply move to a new town. He also claimed there was a steady supply of militants heading in from Pakistan. He said, with the amount of troops that are stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq, that it is an absolute impossibility for them to ever "win the wars". He said, that from his point of views, these were always meant to be never ending wars.

Additionally, although this conversation took place over a year ago, I asked what his view on the coming attack on Iran. He said, I just can't see an Iranian attack happening. We are stretched way too thin even in the countries were already in, a whole new war with another country would be a logistical nightmare, and that many high ranking officials would not take the task.

Furthermore, he said, via satellites and drones, right on the Iranian border, the Iranian military is conducting around the clock guerrilla warfare exercises in plain view for the US to see, with an estimated 60,000-100,000 troops, as if to say to the US, "Sure, attack us, and these guerrillas will make your life hell".

He claimed, any attack on Iran would be an instantaneous, massive airstrike, which would take less than 60 minutes from first bomb drop to conclusion of exercises. He said, this is the ONLY possibility of an attack on Iran, because we simply have no where near enough soldiers on the ground to maintain 3 wars.

So to hear that the US and Isreal may be funding (surprise surprise) both sides of the wars.. (that's never been done before lol), is no surprise to me at all. These are never ending wars.

The war on drugs. Impossible to win, huge social costs, constant removal of rights, and practically no progress since it's inception.

The war's in Iraq and Afghanistan. Impossible to win, huge social costs, constant removal of rights, and practically no progress since it's inception.

The war on Terror. Impossible to win, huge social costs, constant removal of rights, and practically no progress since it's inception.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 09:02 PM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

My friend I appreciate the way you feel and what you think, and as an American you have a right to feel and say that and I sure don't want to take that away from you or attempt to convince you to feel and think different or that what I think and feel is right.

I have one problem though, that prohibits me from giving the benefit of the doubt.

No one has ever been charged or tried for 9-11. Trillions of dollars have been spent prosecuting wars as a result of it. Laws have been passed that have changed the freedoms and liberties of Americans because of it. Brave and well intentioned Americans have put themselves in harms way because of it and been maimed and killed and psychologically scarred. Countless people who aren't Americans who live a world away who weren't involved in 9-11 and couldn't be because they are housewives and children and farmers and shop keepers and laborers have been maimed and killed and psychologically scarred because of it...but...

Not one person has been charged...not one trial as been conducted...not one shred of evidence that confirms any one single persons guilt or innocence has ever been presented in 8 long years where it should have been presented a long time an American Court of Law, in front of an Independent American Judge, with 12 citizens that both the prosecution and the defense agreed where unbiased and could be counted on to consider and then weigh all the facts honestly.

It looks like that will never happen, and frankly if my government can charge, prosecute and try tax dodgers, drug dealers, arms dealers, white collar fraud perpetrators, vehicle speeders, assorted murderers and people involved in crimes of passion...even for darn sure ought to be trying the greatest crime and the greatest loss of life to ever have been committed on American soil.

The FBI does not scream for it, the Congress does not scream for it, the Senate does not scream for it, two different Presidents do not scream for it, the Media does not scream for it...BUT I SCREAM FOR IT...and I will not trust or put any faith or belief in the government of my country until it does what America is all about...PROVIDE JUSTICE FOR ALL!

Please do not think me un-American for insisting that our nation itself not be un-American.

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 09:10 PM
reply to post by RedGolem

IMHO, no surprise there

I think most of us have know that it was just such a thing from the very start

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 09:56 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

My friend, there were trials conducted in Spain, because the 9/11 attacks were planned in Spain, and not in the United States.

Even Obama Bin Laden was found guilty, and was indicted in absence of the planning of 9/11.

I have presented evidence from Europe before that the 9/11 attacks were at first planned to happen in Europe by Islamic Extremist cells, but the terrorists changed the plan, and decided instead to attack first the U.S.

Most, if not all of the evidence was found in Europe for the planning of the 9/11 attacks, and not in the U.S.

Spanish Judge Ends Inquiry Into Qaeda Cell Tied to 9/11
Published: Thursday, June 17, 2004

The Spanish judge investigating a cell of Al Qaeda in Spain and its ties to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks in the United States announced Tuesday that he had concluded his investigation.

Of 41 suspects indicted by the judge, Baltasar Garzón, 24 are expected to face trial. Three are accused of taking part in the Sept. 11 attacks. The rest are charged with forming part of a terrorist network.

The three Sept. 11 suspects include Imad Eddin Barakat Yarkas, the suspected leader of Al Qaeda in Spain, who has been in Spanish custody since November 2001. The others are Ghasoub al Abrash Ghalyoun and Driss Chebli, according to El País, Spain's largest daily.
Also indicted is Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born founder of the Qaeda terror network. Judge Garzón has argued that Spain has jurisidiction over Mr. bin Laden and other Qaeda members because the Sept. 11 attacks were planned on Spanish soil.

Profile: Judge Baltasar Garzon

Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon is widely recognised for his determination to bring suspects to justice, no matter where they may be or how old the crime.

He came to prominence in the late 1990s, when he campaigned for the extradition former Chilean military ruler Augusto Pinochet, from London to Spain for human rights abuses.

In late 2003 Judge Garzon compiled a 692-page indictment which called for the arrest of 35 men, including Osama Bin Laden, for their alleged membership of a terrorist group. The number of suspects was later increased to 41.

Saddam was known to fund terrorist organizations, and including families of suicide bombers who have killed Americans.

Yes, the war on terrorism will continue to last for a long time, but what exactly do you want to do? allow Islamic terrorists to continue attacking us without us doing anything?

However, it is also true that this has been used to install some laws which are unConstitutional, but not even President Bush installed the dictatorial Socialist laws being passed by the current administration.

I have said it before, and I will continue saying it. The U.S. was lured to fight Saddam's regime to turn us against many, if not most of our supposed allies, and to break our ties with Europe.

I have presented evidence to the fact that even the second in command of Saddam's Air Force, Jeorges Sada, among some others, has been stating that he saw how planes were converted to move WMD out of Iraq.

Former Russian high military defectors have stated that there have been plans by the Soviet union/Russia to not only arm regimes such as Saddam with WMD, mostly in the 90s and up to the war which is why Saddam owed more money to Russia than to any other country. This plan was called "Sarindar" in some parts of the Soviet Union.

We even had a former U.S. official state and present evidence that the Russian government helped Saddam get rid/move the WMD he had.

This man, John A. Shaw who was "Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for International Technology Security and in a variety of other senior U.S. Government positions" was fired, and the reason for being fired was that he gave information which was not supposed to be public.

Russia and Iraq
Main articles: Al Qa'qaa high explosives controversy and WMD theories in the aftermath of the 2003 Iraq War
Mr. Shaw was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq. He stated in October 2004, March 2005, and again in February 2006 that it was the Russians who helped Saddam Hussein to "clean up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles "to prevent the United States from discovering them." [2]

In particular, on February 18, 2006, Shaw told a conference at The Intelligence Summit in Alexandria, Virginia, that "The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went" to Syria and the Beqaa Valley in Lebanon, Kenneth R. Timmerman reported February 19, 2006, in NewsMax. "They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," Shaw said.

After accusing Russian GRU of helping Saddam to remove his WMD, Shaw was asked to resign for exceeding his authority in disclosing the information, a charge he called "specious." Shaw was forced out of office when his position was eliminated on December 10, 2004.[1], [2].

Shaw stated that he went public with his comments regarding Russia moving Iraq's WMD when he did to help George W. Bush who he felt was being "crucified" by the revelations that over 350 tons of explosives had gone missing in Iraq as a result of the U.S. invasion [3]. He said "If I had not had the openly hostile environment in [Pentagon public affairs], I would have moved the story differently. Getting the truth out instantly was more important than process."

The U.S. government did not want Americans to know that Russia had lured us in, and then turned agianst us because if this was widely known it could probably start WWIII. Maybe even the past administration wanted to keep this secret just as "leverage" to use against the Russian government.

But who knows what was the reason for keeping this secret? I can only speculate, but there is proof that this is true.

Putin himself stated that he, and the Russian intelligence agencies were giving secret information to the U.S. government since 9/11 and up to the beginning of the war that Saddam was planning terrorist attacks against the U.S., and against U.S. interests.

Putin says Iraq planned US attack

Russian President Vladimir Putin says that after the 9/11 attacks Moscow warned Washington that Saddam Hussein was planning attacks on the US.
He said Russia's secret service had information on more than one occasion that Iraq was preparing acts of terror in the US and its facilities worldwide.

Mr Putin said he had no information the Iraqi ex-leader was behind any attacks.
Speaking on a visit to Kazakhstan, Mr Putin said Russia had warned the US on several occasions that Iraq was planning "terrorist attacks" on its soil.

"After the events of 11 September 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told reporters.

He said the information received by Russian intelligence suggested Iraq was planning attacks in the United States, "and beyond its borders on American military and civilian targets".

We all know that Russia was one of the first countries to bash and blame the U.S. for causing what they have called, including Putin called, a criminal war".

We also found out that in fact the Russian government was giving Saddam's regime our troop movements and other supposed secret information about our troops.

Our troops actually found Iraqi documents which showed this is true, and the Russian government was giving Saddam's regime out troop movements. Of course, the Russian government, and Putin denied this despite the proof which showed the oposite.

Russia 'gave Saddam intelligence on invasion'

By Robert Burns

Saturday, 25 March 2006

The Russian government collected intelligence from sources inside the American military command as the US mounted the invasion of Iraq, and the Russians fed information to deposed President Saddam Hussein on troop movements and plans, according to Iraqi documents cited in a Pentagon report released Friday.

The Russians relayed information to Saddam during the opening days of the war in late March and early April 2003, including a crucial time before the ground assault on Baghdad, according to the documents.

The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing two captured Iraqi documents that say the Russians collected information from sources "inside the American Central Command" and that battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam through the Russian ambassador in Baghdad.

In the 80s Germany was Iraq's main supplier of WMD, which included the mustard gas which Saddam used against the Kurds. But in the 90s Russia became Ira's main supplier of military equipment, and WMD.

The United States was lured into the Iraqi war, this is part of the plan to weaken us, and turn Europe among many of our allies against us.

Now Russia is arming Iran, and NK is also sabble ratling just like Saddam was before the war.

We are going to be lured, probably by China, into either NK, or Iran, or maybe even both.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 09:33 AM
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

That is absolutely not acceptible. If the 9-11 attacks were carried out in Spain why was the Pan Am flight that exploded over Lockerbie, tried in Lockerbie.

If Saudis carried out a 9-11 attack planned in Spain how do we bomb Afghanistan for that.

A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n citizens died in A-m-e-r-i-c-a this is they type of foolishness I am talking about.

Spain? That's just foolish.

The United States of America is not Spain. Neither the World Trade Centers or the Pentagon are in Spain. The flight school they were alledgeldly trained at wasn't in Spain. The didn't catch the flights in Spain. Heck they don't even speak English as the official language in Spain.

How the heck could that even be remotely seen as a substitute for American's an insult to the intelligence. Asuming someone has intelligence to insult.


posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 05:21 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Now you are resorting to insults, and making no sense at all.

R.E.A.D. T.H.E. I.N.F.O.R.M.A.T.I.O.N.

The attacks WERE PLANNED in Spain.....

Spanish authorities found the evidence of the plans for these attacks, and in case you haven't found out yet, the government of Spain had turned Socialist after the Madrid Bombings in 2004, and then Spain wasn't as friendly towards the U.S. after that....

This happens quite a bit, an attack can be planned in another country, which means most of the proof of the plans for the attacks is found in that country, and not where the attack occurs...

So what exactly is not acceptable? That the plans for the attacks were made in Spain?

That there is proof the attacks were planned by Islamic extremists, and it debunks all the claims that the U.S. government was behind the attack?

Evidence is evidence nomatter how much you would love to blame the U.S. government.

The attacks were planned by Islamic extremists mostly in Spain, since there was also some proof found in Germany of these plans if i remember correctly, and then the attacks were carried out in the U.S.

[edit on 25-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

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