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Crop Circle at Milk Hill White Horse

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posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by timfix
i just ignore people that do not want to believe that et's make crop circles. surely not all circles are made by them , and some man made. has anyone heard of the theory that satelites are making some of the crop circles? as if its some crazy military mind control like game .... what the heck is the end result to make circle investigators look bad or something?


Your funny... you ignore people you don't agree with? Well I don't think they are made by ET and I already posted on one of the other circle threads that the boys at MIT are using the beam weapon satellites to etch out the circles as a precision test of the devices... but most likely because they are bored and are messing with us.

That is the reason several of us keep putting in our requests... because they are most likely listening to ATS and getting ideas

A simple pattern fed into the computer and upload to the sat and ZAP... since the energy is controllable from just making someone feel ill to vibrating apart a building like the twin towers, a wide variety of results are available

Now you don't need to believe me, but I got that from an ex LLNL employee who wishes to remain anonymous


So when do I get my Pegasus in a circle with Nine Chevrons?





posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by DDay
What if it wasn't an error?


I'm leaning more towards an error. It is such a tiny circle, why do it on the 2nd night and not the 1st night? It should have been part of the first-nights design but it wasn't done until the 2nd night.



What if it was Niburu?

Then.. I don't know? Guess we're doomed.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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5.....
4....
3...
2..
1.

Pooowwwwhhh!

Thunderbirds are GO!!!!!


Sorry, but thats what I think of when I see a five to one countdown.
I'm sure there are a few out there who know what I am talking about.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 03:16 AM
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I believe indeed that the crop circles they are own realized from extraterrestrial forces!
The reason is much empiricist and much logic: the greed of the human beings! MONEY!
There is one compensates of 250.000 dollars put from Jaime Maussan in the 2006 on who it will demonstrate of being able to realize in a single night a medium complex design and similar one to those which they appear on the fields.
There are 250,000 dollars that they wait for from the 2006 the "humans creators" of the crop cirlcles…

But to the ALIENS ones interest the dollars? Better Euro currency?

follow the money…



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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Thanks for that, yeah im serious. So are you also serious ,cause if satelites are making (some/most) C Circles/glyphs then theres a chance they get caught. Yes, someone turns on them , it would be a big story. Yes, the truth would sell copies, articles etc = $

So, you say they do it since they're board??? Yet, they could of done it only on Iranian/N Korean fields to make them paranoid about jellyfish and miro style art or fractel monsters from space. Yet the best glyph was the codex at Chilbolten (spelling?) which told us much pain but still some time and dont take candy from stangers (bearing gifts). And now the pain is approaching , no not Nibiru but the what they did the the economy and yes the dollar ..... my website also talks about that stuff , its further down on the left. Anyhow, so my source on c . c. done by satelites interviewed the late Michael k Wolf (who was totally legit ) .

Think it over clover



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by timfix
i just ignore people that do not want to believe that et's make crop circles. surely not all circles are made by them , and some man made. has anyone heard of the theory that satelites are making some of the crop circles? as if its some crazy military mind control like game .... what the heck is the end result to make circle investigators look bad or something?


Your funny... you ignore people you don't agree with? Well I don't think they are made by ET and I already posted on one of the other circle threads that the boys at MIT are using the beam weapon satellites to etch out the circles as a precision test of the devices... but most likely because they are bored and are messing with us.

That is the reason several of us keep putting in our requests... because they are most likely listening to ATS and getting ideas

A simple pattern fed into the computer and upload to the sat and ZAP... since the energy is controllable from just making someone feel ill to vibrating apart a building like the twin towers, a wide variety of results are available

Now you don't need to believe me, but I got that from an ex LLNL employee who wishes to remain anonymous


So when do I get my Pegasus in a circle with Nine Chevrons?



I wouldn't be grinning like that if I were you.. I would be ashamed of myself. If what you are saying is true, then you not only have the inside knowledge on what is going on, you also SUPPORT these guys and you sound like you are on friendly terms with them. If you have a source that chooses to remain anonymous and you do nothing to expose him and blow the phenomena wide open (instead you are on here grinning about it), then you are nothing but an ACCESSORY to these creeps in my opinion.

If, on the other hand, what you are saying is a load of baloney, then you are nothing but a disinformation specialist. I see you created a thread to collate all the recent crop circles, but did it in a way that not only confuses the chronological order of events, you leave a series of skeptical / debunker website links - including the Circlemakers website. There is ZERO evidence that these people are behind any of the recent crop circle activity. Therefore, no place in the thread - except to throw people off-track.

Either way, you don't come out of this smelling like roses. So which is it.. are you on our side and will use the knowledge you have to expose these people.. or are you here to just spout off crackpot theories to distract truth-seekers from the real answers?

I mean, we have evidence of UFOs in this area (photographs, video).. a lot more tangible and believable than your MIT buddies. In my opinion, you should be doing an awful lot more to expose them if you truly are in a position to do that. We are all searching for the truth here and you have made a huge claim with nothing but an 'anonymous source' to back it up, followed by a big grin.

It's not something you should be proud of, far from it.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by RiotComing

I wouldn't be grinning like that if I were you.. I would be ashamed of myself. If what you are saying is true, then you not only have the inside knowledge on what is going on, you also SUPPORT these guys and you sound like you are on friendly terms with them. If you have a source that chooses to remain anonymous and you do nothing to expose him and blow the phenomena wide open (instead you are on here grinning about it), then you are nothing but an ACCESSORY to these creeps in my opinion.

If, on the other hand, what you are saying is a load of baloney, then you are nothing but a disinformation specialist.


Oh RC! You certainly have a flair for the dramatic!


Zorgon... a dis-info agent? LOL! I must admit that is the first time I've seen someone say that about Z on this forum!


Originally posted by RiotComing
or are you here to just spout off crackpot theories

"Hello Pot... This Is The Kettle Speaking"

Thanks for the comic relief... I nearly coughed up a lung!


Further more:
The ad hominems are so very cliche when one has nothing constructive to add - or no viable rebuttal. It's bad sportsmanship and flags your argument as weak.

IRM


[edit on 27/6/09 by InfaRedMan]



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 03:28 AM
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Dang it all The upgrade Firefox doesn't open windows in a new tab everytime
Just had to redo this post yeah yeah I know use notepad


Okay


Originally posted by RiotComing
I wouldn't be grinning like that if I were you.. I would be ashamed of myself. If what you are saying is true, then you not only have the inside knowledge on what is going on, you also SUPPORT these guys and you sound like you are on friendly terms with them. If you have a source that chooses to remain anonymous and you do nothing to expose him and blow the phenomena wide open (instead you are on here grinning about it), then you are nothing but an ACCESSORY to these creeps in my opinion.


That is probably the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. If I would expose my sources, just how long do you think people would come to me with information? Besides without proof what good would it do? His word would be no better than mine.

As to 'friendly terms' Perhaps... I have gone to a lot of effort to get 'into the loop' to find out the real stuff going on and share what I can (more than most). "ACCESSORY to these creeps" Now that is just funny





If, on the other hand, what you are saying is a load of baloney, then you are nothing but a disinformation specialist. I see you created a thread to collate all the recent crop circles, but did it in a way that not only confuses the chronological order of events, you leave a series of skeptical / debunker website links - including the Circlemakers website. There is ZERO evidence that these people are behind any of the recent crop circle activity. Therefore, no place in the thread - except to throw people off-track.


So what you are saying is that you want something that only shows YOUR point of view and no other? Seems you have a vendetta against the Circle Makers. Why? Because they mess with your 'Aliens did it" theory? Well you have ZERO proof that they did it either, just your personal conviction

That thread is here, though it did fizzle

Crop Circle Collection
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But you know YOU could have done it just as easily in any order you wish... instead of just talking about it





Either way, you don't come out of this smelling like roses. So which is it.. are you on our side and will use the knowledge you have to expose these people.. or are you here to just spout off crackpot theories to distract truth-seekers from the real answers?


Hmm That is a tough one.. Expose? No way... no paper to prove it so it would be meaningless to mention names you wouldn't know anyway. As to 'truth-seekers looking for real answers' It has been my experience that very very few people actually seek the REAL truth. Most seek answers that support their pet theory and if any one comes along to pop that bubble they scream foul faster than a debunker... your calling me dis info agent proves my point

On your side? Well I don't believe Aliens did it... though one could make a case for plasma 'critters' doing it. [Balls of Light, Orbs... etc) But if that were true they would have a lot more intelligence than I thought.. which would be cool. But they live in local space and the atmosphere so they wouldn't be aliens





I mean, we have evidence of UFOs in this area (photographs, video).. a lot more tangible and believable than your MIT buddies.


Really?

Like this one?



That one was debunked by the National Geographic and the camera man who faked it



Now in THIS one the description by the kid and Prof Hasslehoff (leaving out the fake on in the middle) backs my claim of a beam weapon... the flashes of light in the first animation, the heat after wards and the Profs electromagnetic radiation explanation. I call that hard evidence..






In my opinion, you should be doing an awful lot more to expose them if you truly are in a position to do that. We are all searching for the truth here and you have made a huge claim with nothing but an 'anonymous source' to back it up, followed by a big grin. It's not something you should be proud of, far from it.


Well my record of what I do expose stands for itself, all one needs do is LOOK and READ. As to my claim with nothing to back it up, the backup is in that other thread... I don't have time to re-post it in every new crop circle thread.

As to 'pride'... well I am proud because that 'crackpot theory' as you put it earned me an applause


And just because I had to dig it up, it's in the Phoenix thread under this post

Consider this possibility..

Note that it says CONSIDER THIS POSSIBILITY


And here is Part Two
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And if someone who follows my posts were very smart, they could actually guess who told me this



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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i dont read all your posts, infact i just met you here the other day ,well on ats. your last post tells me you met them here.

anyhow, my source on the satelites being "a" or "the" source

JAMES COURANT - commercial pilot, UFO investigator-journalist


he interviews a valid whistle blower mike wolf, says original circles were made from ET"s and we now make them. Yet what are the details ,how does he know that most are by our satelites now????? As you can see my hero M WOLF tends to challenge or disagree !!!!

www.youtube.com...

do we need to start a new thread on this very subject ,in order to reach the people behind the controls??????

purpose ,to get them to share top secret info via crop circles ,ie. free energy and time lines.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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folks, do not get side tracked by someone who disagrees and sorta throws a wrench into the cogs. which has happened. see ,the truth seeks its own level like water does ---- its a natural law



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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opps the details:

Crop circles "were originated by extraterrestrials, and then badly copied by the military, using Strategic Defense Initiative weapons emitting a laser pulsed beam. "Wolf noted that "with crop circles made by ETs, the plants were still alive and grew, [after being bent into pictographic patterns.] With SDI- weapons crop circles, the plants die. These SDIU weapons are operated from a secret base in the Himalayas."

so, i suppose the nerds that actually are at the controls are indeed bored and if they take orders or not is another thing. so my earlier post wondering if they will share important info /top secret was incorrect.

so, we have from the late dr mkwolf that the sdi circles are badly copied. and coulter never anywhere explains or defends his position re: most are now done by us. i've done a search on him and it lead to a dead end ,infact.

so the real c circles have exploded noduals yet the plant continues to grow. also eyewitnesses sometimes see orbs around prior or durring the event.

there you have it . the mystery lives on (once again)



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Kevin_X2
that... is amazing. at first glance it looks like a map of a solar system, or some kind of planet map anyway.

I see the orbits, and the moons around larger planets, but... honestly, it could be anything.

My best guess is obviously hoaxers with some crazy intricate planning. but, if it happened in two stages i would assume somebody kept a watch on the field.


I agree it looks like a map; first (at the top) a city, then a solar system, and then some tool, IMO A death ray or something pointed at US. I think we better the the H-E-Double Hockeysticks out of DODGE!



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Funny how the crop circles only seem to appear in weather good enough for people to be out messing about at night eh?



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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Well that is not my source... BUT thanks for that... Seems there are others on the beam weapon side. I will check out this fellow...

Thanks for adding that info
I need to find out where he got it from


seems this issue is about as clear as Pea Soup



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by timfix
do we need to start a new thread on this very subject ,in order to reach the people behind the controls??????


That might be a good idea. Lets get more data then you go ahead and start one. Looks like you could use some points


Besides the beam weapon theory is not popular to some in this thread
We will take our marbles and play in the other field


Originally posted by VitalOverdose
Funny how the crop circles only seem to appear in weather good enough for people to be out messing about at night eh?


Cloud cover would scatter the beams and obscure the target area

But you make a great point. This is a fair weather phenomena, something I never considered before



Also why do they not show up in China, Russia etc?

Well the people that claim to make them live in the UK and the US (Firefox circle)

And if its beam weapons, zapping China or Russia with those might cause a little incidence










[edit on 27-6-2009 by zorgon]



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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But lets look at some data... like WHEN did they begin?


Crop circles were not known prior to 1970, apart from the one reported exception of the Tully, Australia Saucer Nest of 1966. Crop circles first appeared in the UK in the 1970's, starting with simple circular patterns and developing over time into huge and complex geometric formations. In 1991 two elderly landscape painters named Doug Bower and Dave Chorley confessed that they had been making crop circles in English grain fields since the 1970's after reading about the Tully, Australia Saucer Nest of 1966. The pair demonstrated how they did it for a film crew and told how they had devised the idea over a pint or two at their local pub. It would appear that the Tully, Australia Saucer Nest of 1966 is the earliest reported crop circle, although it is not what may be recognised today as a typical crop circle.


www.thekeyboard.org.uk...



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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Actually Wiki dates crop circles much further back. But I suppose they were not really the same.




A more recent historical report of crop circles was republished (from Nature, volume 22, pp. 290–291, 29 July 1880) in the January 2000 issue of the Journal of Meteorology.[11] It describes the 1880 investigations by amateur scientist John Rand Capron:

"The storms about this part of Western Surrey have been lately local and violent, and the effects produced in some instances curious. Visiting a neighbour's farm on Wednesday evening (21st), we found a field of standing wheat considerably knocked about, not as an entirety, but in patches forming, as viewed from a distance, circular spots....I could not trace locally any circumstances accounting for the peculiar forms of the patches in the field, nor indicating whether it was wind or rain, or both combined, which had caused them, beyond the general evidence everywhere of heavy rainfall. They were suggestive to me of some cyclonic wind action



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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And here is another site dating pre 1970's

www.cropcircles.net...




Crop circles are not a modern phenomenon.

They are mentioned in academic texts of the late 17th Century, and almost 200 cases- some with eyewitness accounts- have been reported prior to 1970. Since then some eighty eyewitnesses from as far away as British Columbia have reported crop circles forming in under twenty seconds; cases are often accompanied by sightings of incandescent or brightly-coloured balls of light, shafts of light or structured flying craft.




Perhaps people just started to pay attention from the 70's onward.
If you think about it for a minute. If they appeared 100's of years ago how would that information travel? Very slowly I imagine, if at all. Some lonely farmer in the middle of nowhere has his crops flattened, who does he tell?

And how many planes were flying around back then to take aerial photos of them or to even figure out there was indeed some intelligent shape to them.

Granted there may be government technology involved today, but I don't believe the gov were the first to create them.



posted on Jun, 27 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by PowerSlave

Crop circles are not a modern phenomenon.

They are mentioned in academic texts of the late 17th Century, and almost 200 cases- some with eyewitness accounts- have been reported prior to 1970.


Unfortunately they do not give any reference to either the acedemic texts or the 200 cases prior to 1970

Just saying so does not make it so

They did however just copy that from here
www.cropcirclesecrets.org...
So I will ask them if they have citation on that

However the same site you linked also says this


Serious attention was given to the simple circles in 1980 in southern England. The designs appeared primarily as simple circles, circle with rings, and variations on the Celtic cross up into the mid-1980s.


So they were still simple circles till the mid 80's Once they became elaborate, then people paid attention, not before

If anyone has any crop circles prior to 1970, lets have em...






[edit on 27-6-2009 by zorgon]



posted on Jun, 29 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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All i can say is that Zorgon seems to be spreading false info earlier on how satelites are creating most of these crop circles. He likes to dominate the threads and i think should be reported. His supposide contact which he never reveals could simply of pulled his leg from the get go or he's simply made up the story ----only to act like he knows something big. First off the complex crop circles take some time to create , and satelites are not stationairy . So.... folks believe what you want or listen to whoever but my sources are saying the greys are making them. This comes from a insider whistle blower who worked very close with them as well as other ets. I've posted the link to a interview and started a thread about him/ Michael Wolf.


I personelly do not feel that Zorgon wants to except the truth , its clear to me from his posts on other threads. In fact from what little i know of him it appears that he prefers to cut n paste pics of military war machines , jets etc. Thats what he's done on the other thread i started . Then his friends come in and only comment on his pics. I will report this to ATS and recommend that others do the same if i am correct that he seems to like to put a kabbash on any real info that doesn't agree with his "world is flat" point of view.



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