I was just watching this. I couldn't tell if it was legitimate or not. I am guessing it was real. Good post. Very informative.

Yeah, they cry out for help now, ..... Untill we actualy get there and the suicide bombings start.

The US can do no right nowadays. It's their country, let em sort it out. We've already gone through a revolution and a civil war.

Originally posted by jackflap

I was just watching this. I couldn't tell if it was legitimate or not. I am guessing it was real. Good post. Very informative.

Thanks. I did post this video on 2 other Iran threads, but I thought it deserved one of its own.

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst

Yeah, they cry out for help now, ..... Untill we actualy get there and the suicide bombings start.

The US can do no right nowadays. It's their country, let em sort it out. We've already gone through a revolution and a civil war.

Yes the west cannot bomb basij barracks as much as it may seem a good idea, we have to wait until the Iranian people ask for that to happen.

Sooo...have we actually seen evidence that accounts for such a large win for ahmadinejad being fraudelent? i certainly haven't..it may well have been rigged,but given the huge support he recieves outside of the cities it is hardly clear cut.Of course deaths in protests is always a tragedy and that should be called out for what it is(that goes for western countries too) but i think people should not let emotions cloud their judgment here on ATS and the world.Take a step back and look at the bigger picture before buying into propaganda which anyone with two eyes can see that this situation is being used for.

Originally posted by Solomons
Sooo...have we actually seen evidence that accounts for such a large win for ahmadinejad being fraudelent? i certainly haven't..it may well have been rigged,but given the huge support he recieves outside of the cities it is hardly clear cut.Of course deaths in protests is always a tragedy and that should be called out for what it is(that goes for western countries too) but i think people should not let emotions cloud their judgment here on ATS and the world.Take a step back and look at the bigger picture before buying into propaganda which anyone with two eyes can see that this situation is being used for.

Have you looked at the bigger picture?

How come everything gets turned into evil USA all the time?

On newsnight yesterday we had 2 ex-prisoners of the regime, and they were tortured until they confessed to being spies, when they were just students or journalist visiting or writing an article.

There are over a thousand prisoners held by the regime now. I'm sure you can guess why some have confessed to being spies.

Anyway the regime is commiting human rights violations. The number of votes is not even an irrelevant point anymore. The regime admitted discrepancies, yet won't allow an investigation by the UN, full recount or a re-run. If Ahmadinejad won legitimately don't you think one of those would be allowed rather than let protests continue?

It's all common sense really.......

This no longer has anything to do with votes, this is about the people wanting the regime gone so they can live in freedom. They were singing "death to the Islamic republic" yesterday.

Originally this was "where's my vote gone", changed to "down with the dictator", then "death to the dictator/khamenei" and now "death to the Islamic republic". I don't think most people have yet got to grips with what's going on.

To say "death to the Islamic republic" would NEVER have been dreamed of 2 weeks ago. That would be punished by death in the Islamic law.

IMO, for these people its revolution or catastrophe. Catastophe may be worse oppression than in 1979,1980 just after the Islamic revolution - women covering faces fully, regular stoning of raped women etc etc. Or it may be all out civil war that goes badly, and even leading to war with the West in an all out last ditch attempt for khamenei to win his people over.

I just don't see how number of votes matter anymore. The regime have back-tracked already, so proved they lied originally. We can't trust a word they say. It's way past the stage where there can be negotiations between the regime and the opposition.

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this is exactly what my wife predicted a week ago

that we would have a reason to form an international alliance in order to overthrow the Iranian govt

for years no one would EVER let Bush invade Iran no matter what, and now it looks like we have the "magical reason" that will let us invade

IMO the shadow gov controls both the Standing Iran govt, and the revolutionary party that is protesting

that way they can totally control the outcome of the situation

Invasion!

Well what can fix a problem stemming from years of mental abuse from a two tiered control system? Money, wars, drugs, liquor? no. Only love. Real love. Not oh your this or that so it must not be love..

But real live and let live attitudes. From the world. THats the only way were going to get along. Stop the rat race.