Originally posted by Eitimzevinten
reply to post by Nightchild

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I'm not saying the idea of us being hybrids isn't plausible, I'm focusing more on the origin of all life and consciousness not just our own. We're just a drop in the pond especially when you run the numbers concerning every galaxy in the universe (a number I don't think we have full comprehension of just yet).

I'm defining "god" as an origin for all life not just our written word "gods" pertaining to just our origin. A lot of (and increasing) evidence suggests they are exactly what you have stated earlier.

Sir Isaac Newton [1642-1727]
Mathematician, Physicist
Inventor of calculus
Law of universal gravitation
Newton's three laws of motion:
1) Law of inertia 2) Force=mass*acceleration 3) Principle of action and reaction
Published "Newton's Prophecies of Daniel"
after his study and translation of the Book of Daniel [in the Bible]
"About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition."

"There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history."

" This thing [a scale model of our solar system] is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you, as an atheist, profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker! Now tell me by what sort of reasoning do you reach such an incongruous conclusion?"

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Sir William Herschel [1738-1822]
Astronomist. Discovered Uranus, several nebulae, and binary stars.
First to accurately describe the Milky Way Galaxy
“All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more and more
the Truths contained in the Sacred Scriptures.”
"The undevout astronomer must be mad."
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Samuel Morse [1791-1872]
Inventor of the telegraph [Morse's sketch of the railway telegraph above]
"Education without religion is in danger of substituting wild theories for the simple commonsense rules of Christianity."
First message sent by the electric telegraph:
"What hath God wrought"
{This is found in the Bible; Numbers 23:23}
{The message was sent from the Supreme Court Room in the Capitol to the railway depot at Baltimore; May 24, 1844}
{In one letter, Samuel Morse wrote "What hath GOD wrought" by capitalizing and underlining "GOD" twice!}

www.eadshome.com...

these great men wouldbe on Dawkins '____ list' today...and probably black listed...oh well...


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more here: www.godandscience.org...

Excerpt here:

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.

Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)

Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.

OT's interested in your take of this...

Originally posted by The Wave
reply to post by Rams59lb

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Hi,

Some 40 years ago went through a similar process - brought up 'brainwashed' in a Catholic education . Spent 5 years reading anything and everything for an 'answer'.... Jung, Castendra, the classics... Whty? Because a one sided view seemd to be just that...

Then brought up a family - little time to think... But now - still learning....and the only thing I'm certain of is that I'm not sure!



But the main thing (maybe) is we keep questioning and trying to learn and understand.

Peace!



[edit on 24-6-2009 by The Wave]

Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by Kaytagg
....At one point, god actually sent down bears to maul to death 40 kids for teasing some fat bald monk about his bald head....

I'm sorry that is just ig-nor-rant! Take the time and stop reading atheist propanganda...and do some research in the original hebrew...those were not kids....

OT knows your can do better....5 WORDS...watch...@ the 2:59 point: www.youtube.com...

2 Kings 2:23-25 (KJV)

23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

25 And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.

Originally posted by Eitimzevinten
reply to post by DaMod

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Its also possible that they just simple advised instead of biologically impacting us. The thing you may be overlooking is the nature of dna. Whose to say that, across the universe, complex dna in intelligent life doesn't take on similar mammalian qualities (in some cases atleast)?

Originally posted by Kaytagg
reply to post by pieman

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If you're stealing from the people you live with, and getting away with it, good for you. Enjoy the spoils.

Philosophy isn't normally worshiped. Religion is.

Religion doesn't come from god, it comes form man. It is, therefore, a perversion from the get go. It doesn't need to "become" perverted. It's born that way.

Religious people indoctrinate their kids with their religion, at a time where they can't possibly know any better, or disagree without being "corrected" physically or through dishonest argument.

The bible is full of condemnation, including pro-death penalties for things like not listening to your parents. At one point, god actually sent down bears to maul to death 40 kids for teasing some fat bald monk about his bald head.

Removing religious changes the DEBATE. There is no longer a sacred, divine writ for people to follow. That's a huge step in the right direction.