Archeologists have uncovered surprisingly sophisticated grain storage that PREDATES plant domesticat, page 1
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reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 10:49 AM by exile1981
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S&F

This is huge. I believe that the history of mankind is too simple there are so many irregularities in the "story" that I think that the PTB know a lot more than they want us to know. It's for stories like this that I first started reading ATS.


reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 11:02 AM by Thill
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Of course they know alot more then they say but sadly we will never get the truth from them as this would mean they have to admit lying to the population for all this time. They will just find a way to disprove this fact or the make it a dating error and continue as nothing ever happened .

[edit on 24-6-2009 by Thill]


reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 12:44 PM by Kandinsky
I've just found some more details that support the idea that they could have been sowing wild seed and storing the excess for a 'rainy day.'

“The most important implication of our findings is that fundamental social changes occurred before plant domestication, including the establishment of fairly permanent settlements, with communal labor and storage, based on cultivated wild plants,” Kuijt says. Researchers now generally accept that people in the Middle East and Asia must have cultivated wild plants for between 1,000 and 2,000 years, with annual harvests in the fall, before domesticated species appeared, remarks Harvard University archaeologist Ofer Bar-Yosef. “The discovery in Dhra' provides us with one of the earliest well-built examples” of a food-storage structure from before plants were domesticated, Bar-Yosef says. Storage structures there support the argument that the sowing of wild plants beginning as early as 14,000 to 15,000 years ago led to agriculture, comments archaeologist Mordechai Kislev of Bar-Ilan University in Ramat-Gan, Israel.
Ancient granaries preceded the Agricultural Revolution

From harvesting the seeds and grain of wild plants (wheat, barley, rice etc) it would only be a matter of time before someone realized how plants were created. It might have been an observation that an area they used to prepare the grain one year became a crop the next. I'm speculating, but it seems reasonable. The guys had the same capacity for observation and extrapolation that we have today. Let's not forget...a group of these guys were as clever as a group of modern guys


reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 01:50 PM by kidflash2008
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The truth is it is not known when agriculture actually started. This find pushes the date further down a little. If they ever do a thorough study of the underwater ruins around the world, they may find agriculture started 20,000 to 20,000 years ago or beyond.


reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 05:46 PM by Primordial
Originally posted by pieman
it was probably even earlier than 11ky, you don't suddenly invent a grain silo, but the earliest evidence is ,now, 11k years old so they have to say "at least 11ky".

a silo at 11k says to me they were intentionally growing it by 15-16k. to need a silo you need to be good enough at growing to have enough of a excess regularly to need, experiment with and develop a silo. that'ld take 1000's of years in prehistory. there was no writing so every innovation required the chance that the person who happened to have the knowledge passed to them was smart enough, enterprising enough and competent enough to do something new and interesting enough to be worth adopting as standard practice.

that could take a lot of generations.

but these people were every bit as smart and mentally developed as we are, they just didn't get the chance to stand on the sholders of giants, they were the ground floor.

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I think you are stretching it a bit with the 1000's of years of development. First you realize leaving your food on the ground is not a good idea. This would most likely happen the first time they tried it and animals, moisture, and mold ravished it. So you build a wall around it. Well, some animals still get in so put a roof. Hmm, moisture still lets mold grow so lets move it to a shelf off the ground so the bottom doesn't stay wet....

I don't see it taking more than a few failed attempts to realize their mistakes and adjust for them. Not generations and 1000 years.


reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 06:10 PM by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by warrenb
This is huge and appears to squish the modern theory that agriculture began a meer 10,000 years ago.

Agriculture was developed at least 10,000 years ago..

en.wikipedia.org...

How can you have a culture with granaries before agriculture was developed?
Our ancestors were alot smarter than we give them credit for.

Yet more evidence that our history is not as we are lead to believe...



[edit on 24-6-2009 by warrenb]


The article said they found wild barley ("wild" being the key word). This only proves they were storing grain -- not cultivating.

...and of course they were smart -- they were modern humans just like us. They had virtually the same brain we have today, therefore they were just as smart as us and just as capable of problem-solving and decision-making.

The one advantage we have over them is our written language. We use our written language to pass our knowledge from one generation to the next to allow that next generation to "build upon" the past generation's knowledge. They may have had some manner of record-keeping, but their knowledge base was small. Our knowledge base is about 5000 years. That's what gives us an advantage over them -- not our brains.

Intelligence and knowledge are two totally different things. So, it may be true that we have more "knowledge" than they did, were are not any more intelligent.

Scientists and anthropologists would not dispute the intelligence of people 10,000 or 20,000 years ago -- mostly because those people are exactly the same as us. They were modern humans who were equally intelligent as we are today. Mainstream anthropologists would agree with that idea.

This does not change the "history of humans" as much as you seem to be implying.


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reply posted on 24-6-2009 @ 07:27 PM by RuneSpider
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There are nomadic tribes that do not practice agriculture much at all, yet have well developed instruments for festivals and ceremonies.
It's not a question of which is easier, but which is focused on more heavily.
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