reply to post by skeptical2012
Ι told you about the belief notion rejection. Why you keep repeating it?
Belief, by its nature, is based on an acquisition of faith of a model of reality, whether that reality be viewed as “real” or imagined by others.
Faith can be gained – or attained - by various means; study, revelation, need, necessity and proof.
Some believe George Lucas was given insider information about alien races and has released that information via entertainment. Their belief, for all
intents and purposes, is real.
Some believe that the only way to gain true knowledge is by scientific study; that a final understanding of reality and existence can only be gained
by disciplined examination of observable phenomena, and also by the pursuit of theoretical hypotheses that will lead to hitherto unknown – and
currently highly controversial – avenues of thought. Their belief, for all intents and purposes, is real.
But the question left by these polar opposite examples is: what is real?
Now, you said:
We as a [thinking] group do not believe. We research and verify by the rules of aristotelian logic, reductio ad absurdum and by experimental
repetition only.
I can honestly state that I am no expert on Greek philosophers. However I will have a stab at this.
Are you posting your information so as it may be viewed as a proposition? And if that is the case, then surely you were aware that you were opening
yourself to personal interpretation buy anyone who read it, as what else would happen in a cynical and questioning society? If you are simply stating
that this thread contains the truth, what about the allowed alternative that you might
not be posting the truth, as a proposition is a
truthbearer?
And where do valid arguments fit into your way of thinking? When you say:
You don't gain anything by hours of useless forum discussions.
it has to be said that you seem to be ignoring “Topics”. Surely argument arises
from discussion. (And – as a side note – why post your
beliefs on a discussion forum if you consider them useless?)
Yes, it's urgent, because of the current agendas unleashing but you must also try to excercise some patient which I think it's not your
strong point unfortunately.
Unfortunately, your assessment of me is flawed; I have
infinite patience for those who deserve it. For those whom I consider are forcing their
flawed convictions on others, well, that is another story. I should point out that I do have the patience to stick to a thread until an outcome is
reached.
We the H.G.REES Prytaneum will have the "nerve" to add another one LAW OF LOGIC: Τhe Law of VERIFICATION BY EXPERIMENTAL REPETITION, a law
that excludes the AGAINST NATURE intrusions of the type of Karl Marx the younger, and of the type of Karl Marx the older, or else little Christ, who
both preached: “blessed are the not seeing and believing” or “faith is the affirmation of things not … seeing, faith is the … hopeful
belief.”
So your beliefs extend to denouncing Communism’s use of biased logic and reason to denounce faith in all of its forms. Not only that, you condemn
any paradigm that rests its dogma on foundations of personal testimony as opposed to empirical evidence. From that, we can assume that blind faith has
little to do with your obvious confidence in your “Laws”; for you, research – with observable results - is all.
This would indicate that you have attained verification of your experiments, would it not?
This particular forum disallows any request for proof of extreme claims, and I will honour that, but with a suggestion.
If you have achieved
some proof that supports your claims, why proclaim the necessity for the rest of us to find the same confirmation for ourselves?
Surely you realise that the majority would prefer the truth to be presented
to them, as opposed to them having to seek it out?
Indeed, you will agree that some cannot physically seek the truth themselves for various and legitimate reasons, so why exclude them?
Whatever the most spoken language on Earth is, it's quite clear that these Andromedeans* do not speak English or anything
vaguely similar to any Earth language - hence it's impossible to make any sense whatsoever of anything they say. Perhaps the babel fish is ill?
