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UFOs: Lets cut the crap already


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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 12:49 AM by MAC269


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Dear helen670

Did you actually read my post???

I only pointed out that the Old Testament was the Jewish bible and left it at that, are you saying this is not true???

I didn’t say anything about what Joshua was or was not get you are saying that I said he is just another man???

What part of my post are you saying is untrue???????



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 02:10 AM by helen670


Originally posted by MAC269
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Dear helen670

Too me the bible is a good example of how a life should be lead.


Well, I would say the TEN Commandments...as this IS where all the given LAW of God rests!
The question was answered by Jesus Christ!


However it is not an historical document and most defiantly it was not written by GOD.

Yes, it is!
This is exactly what THOSE liars did to CONFUSE Christians that Jesus is NOT the Son of God!
As I said previously, God spoke through His Prophets...and as it was WRITTEN, it also was FULLFILLED By Christ the Lord!


The Old Testament is effectively the Jewish Bible.

And so why did not the Priests, or should I be more ACCURATE in my words and say...they sought to kill Him?
Could it be that THEY were FALSE in their teachings?

The New Testament is a very small collection of writings about a historical figure called Joshua son of Mary. There where many other writings at this time period about the same man that where destroyed nearly completely by the Roman Church under the orders of Constantine a pagan Roman Emperor some 300 AD or so. His motives where control of the Roman Empire and nothing more. The RC Church and all other Christian churches where about control of the population in the beginning and have not changed.

Why are people always refering to SAINT Constantine when they do not know what annointing of a KING actually means?
God chooses who HE WANTS as to His liking!


So a life that tries to emulate the life of Joshua son of Mary is a life that is worth while. One can not take what is written about him in the few examples in the New Testament that seriously.

Of-course there are many other books that the Apostles and their Apostles wrote, but who takes the time to read them?
They are there!


When we examine a subject today we do not just read one book by one author we read many and try and find the truth of what actually happened. The same with News papers they each have there slant.

Not quite sure what you mean here, but many books have been done in a way to confuse and steer those that dont have ears to listen and eyes to see what is actually been said in Scripture!


So why rust a pagan roman emperor who only wanted to retain control over his empire.

What?
If this again is about the Emperor Constantine....read some TRUE History beginning from the Old Tetsamnet about annointing KINGS!


We have the same going on today there are sightings of UFO’s and the media is controlled by the emperors of today and so are the boffins. Worse still the boffins in the USA at least are still controlled by the RC Church.

Well, YES, who controlls and OWNS the MEDIA is MOSTLY behind CORRUPTION and the like!


That is why there is room for ATS a place that as far as I know they don’t have control of. YET.

And you know this because?



People have need for the Christian Church I know that and I don’t want to tare them away from that belief but I do thing they need to know where it comes from.



Christianity comes from the WORD Christ...




John 3:1-15
1 There was a man of the Pharisees,
named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him,
Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest,
except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth,
and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him,
How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven,
but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,
even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish,
but have eternal life.

Unless those that say who they are and are NOT,come to know CHRIST,then as it is written in Scripture will come to be...

ICXC NIKA
helen



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 03:09 AM by MAC269


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Dear helen670

I am sorry that you don’t seam to understand this.

en.wikipedia.org...

First Council of Nicaea

The First Council of Nicaea was a council of Christian bishops convened in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day İznik in Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. The Council was historically significant as the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom. [1]

The purpose of the council was to resolve disagreements arising from within the Church of Alexandria over the nature of Jesus in relationship to the Father; in particular, whether Jesus was the literal son of God or was he a figurative son, like the other "sons of God" in the Bible.”

Above is all from Wikipedia.

Not from me.

I am sorry but to believe in faith as portrayed by the Roman Catholic Church who to say the very least have totally manipulated the contents of the Bible is not what we do here.



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 03:28 AM by helen670


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Hi MAC/

I know what the Roman Catholic church are about!
Constantinople SUFFERED because of them!\
Unless the POPE of Rome renounces all his man made LAWS under the VATICAN...and speaks to his people of what was the Early Church, there will never be an agreement.
God knows what is to come!

Anyways, thanks for the reply!

ICXC NIKA
NIKA



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 03:38 AM by MAC269


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Dear helen670

All other Christian Churches come from the Roman Catholic Church.

If it where not for the Roman Catholic Church there would be no other Christian Church.

I work closely with three Roman Catholic Priests and they do good work for the sick and terminally ill. They live the life as much as can be expected in these times.

This is rare very rare.

Oh yes and guess what they don’t believe a great deal of what is in the bible. But they do have there faith and follow a lot of the RC agenda. They have to or they would be thrown out.

It is because of this work they do that I support them. But I don’t support the church.



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 04:02 AM by helen670


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Hi MAC/

It was not the Roman Catholic church that followed in the Footsteps of the Apostles...
The First among EQUALS was in Rome,but they fell in hearsay.
Rome thought that THEY were FIRST AMONGST all the other established churches by the APOSTLES...whereas ALL were EQUAL and in communioin with one another till ROME began to change LAWS within themselves.

As far as doing good and bad...many are guilty of that crime!
I can go on...but not the post for this...


ICXC NIKA
helen



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 05:08 AM by symmetricAvenger


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so what came frist then the bible or the ten commandments?

seems odd to me that god would give commandemtns then tell them about his son ?

or did mose get the commandments then the story of his son get wrote after the account?

confusing to say the least heh, glad i do not put my faith in any bible

And if god is real hes in my heart on in some book



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 09:42 AM by helen670


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Hi symmetricAvenger/

The Prophecy of a SAVIOUR begins in Genesis...which means BIRTH.
As soon as God created man, they disobeyed Him.
The message fulfills God's promise to send a Redeemer (Genesis 3:15)
"I will put enmity be-tween you and the woman,
between your seedand her seed; he shall crush your head,
and you shall lie in wait for his heel."

ICXC NIKA
helen



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 09:51 AM by symmetricAvenger


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and that means what?

Please understand i do not talk in riddles...

so enlighten me please seen as you are the son / woman of god.. correct?

how much if this do you know from this book?

Do you think my life is a Mistake?

or do you question you very being ? and mine ? by trying to lecture me on the yes and no / pros and cons of being a bastard son of the person you worship

and lets face it You are a bastard correct?

did the farther or mother of the son of god ever get married?

no they did not.. techincaly humans are a bastard race and god son was the only true son of god

how does it feel being the black sheep of the family? well now you know




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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 10:16 AM by anonamousantichrist


Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
reply to post by helen670



and that means what?

Please understand i do not talk in riddles...

so enlighten me please seen as you are the son / woman of god.. correct?

how much if this do you know from this book?

Do you think my life is a Mistake?

or do you question you very being ? and mine ? by trying to lecture me on the yes and no / pros and cons of being a bastard son of the person you worship

and lets face it You are a bastard correct?

did the farther or mother of the son of god ever get married?

no they did not.. techincaly humans are a bastard race and god son was the only true son of god

how does it feel being the black sheep of the family? well now you know




you seem very angry with the concepts in this thread. if your this unhappy with your spirituality then do something about it. however, its up to no one else (not including a minister) but you to increase your understanding of anything regarding personal truth.

helen quotes scripture not riddles. although most scripture can be read from many viewpoints with many layers hidden, to blame helen is absurd.

if your understanding of scripture is lacking, buy a bible

cheers,
AA

[edit on 3-8-2009 by anonamousantichrist]



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reply posted on 3-8-2009 @ 10:48 AM by symmetricAvenger


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no my friend you miss understand anger with hypocrisy.

If you do not like the manner in a way a convey my message then that is your own business..

I can not change how you feel or think and nor shall i try to.. not my job

I am just point out some facts.. i mean after all you are on ATS..

so feel free to label me in any context that you wish my friend, ill be happy to sit in it and smile knowing i do not know the wish of god or pretend to like half the people on this website..

I really could not care for god aliens or any other "end of all questions" answer in that regard

but i am happy to debate it as im as cluess as the other 7.5 billion people on this plantet and to pretend you know more is

1) arrogant

2) stupid


would you not agree?



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