Official ! Scots health chiefs are preparing for a swine flu DOOMSDAY, page 1

Government officials are ready for a worst-case scenario of 63,700 deaths in Scotland if the bug becomes more severe during the pandemic.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk...

It’s feared the current H1N1 virus — which killed mum Jacqueline Fleming, 38, of Glasgow, on Sunday — could become like the Spanish flu of 1918 which claimed 40million lives worldwide.

The article goes on to quote the following "Terrifying plans — drawn up before a global pandemic was confirmed last week — could also see ice rinks and freezer lorries used as makeshift morgues."

I class myself as an educated, level headed thinker. Im not usually an alarmist, but this concerns me, begs a few questions and leads me to conclude that.........

1. Maybe the threat is real, whether man made flu or not. If it is man made are we seeing the de-population of the planet very soon via virus, or via vaccination?

2. The media fear mongering that went on at the start of the outbreak is being ramped up to give us more to think about than the financial melt down that is taking place.

3. Although I find it difficult to get my head totaly round the 2012 scenario and all the doom and gloom associated with prophecised pandemics, floods and wars...could this flu realy be part of that bigger picture? and do the PTB know it is going to mutate?

Whatever you think, there is one thing for sure. Governments dont spend millions on vaccines when they are broke and here in Scotland the intention is that all of the population will be getting vaccinated.

Scary but exciting times we live in.


Respects

reply to post by captiva

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Good thread, Captiva. I believe that while H1N1 is not much different from regular seasonal influenza at this point, it has a real possibility of being much worse if it recurs again later on in the year. There are certain parallels between this flu and the 1918 event:

1. 1918 also began in the winter, rather than the summer, when most flues begin.

2. 1918 flu attenuated somewhat and then recurred later on in the year as a much more virulent flu. (this has yet to be confirmed, but the patterns are in place).

3. 1918 flu involved a Cytokine Storm, which utilizes your own immune system, and seems to attack the healthy -- 20 -40. H1N1 seems to be doing this as well.

4. 1918 flu was thought to be an avian flu. I wasn't so much that it was a flu with a high mortality, but that it was particularly communicable. That was a time when there weren't commercial airlines and other modes of travel. People tended to live further apart than now.

I think it's a valid and real concern. I read enough to fortify my belief that the vaccines are a case of the cure being worse than the disease. I won't be taking any vaccine, voluntarily or otherwise. We all have to make our own decisions about this issue, for the safety of our families, and I hope everyone researches the issue sufficiently to make an informed decision and doesn't just let their governments tell them "what is best for them."

I'm sick right now. My Bride and I had to travel to the big island here last week, and we both got sick. We're not bad off, just a standard low-grade flu. I wonder.. if it will turn out to be a good thing for us, our bodies developing the immunities to protect us later in the year. That is exactly what the vaccines are supposed to do. Research "Baxter" AND "vaccine" and see if you want to get vaccinated.

I'm very interested in threads like yours, that detail the response and systems of smaller governments. Thanks much

Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by captiva

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Good thread, Captiva. I believe that while H1N1 is not much different from regular seasonal influenza at this point, it has a real possibility of being much worse if it recurs again later on in the year. There are certain parallels between this flu and the 1918 event:

I don't understand how you could consider this a mild flu, or no worse than a normal flu. That line was fed to the people by the MSM a few weeks ago. Right now the CFR rate is .43% and now look at these numbers for the last 3 pandemics.

Source Peter Osborn You must see these numbers!

Spanish flu (1918-1919) CFR 2-3 %
Asian flu (1957-1958) CFR < 0.2 %
Hong Kong (1967-1968) CFR < 0.2%

I see a very different story in the above. H1N1 is double the CFR for the last two pandemics already based on the WHO & CDC numbers. Add in that this Monday they reported 51 more deaths in the US over the weekend. There was no coverage of this in our MSM.

Today it is well over 90 degrees here in the Midwest and across many of the States and yet we are experiencing an exponential growth in the number of flu cases.

Please look at the last graph on the link above. The cases from June 5th forward are on the rise like never before. I also agree that if the governments are spending billions on a cure, and they are basically broke, they know something is seriously wrong.

reply to post by seataka

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Seataka-

I'm sorry you were so sick, but thanks for sharing that post. Reading local obits is a fantastic idea- are you a cultural anthropologist? (no sarcasm- real question). It's the same kind of thing we've been doing by monitoring traffic, as there's no news of any value-- thanks for the idea as I will try to correlate the discrepencies I see in Chicago.

In good health,

C

EDIT: Another idea would be to check with local houses of worship who are involved in food banks, shelters, etc. We are -in the US- in the middle of a dangerous heat wave, and a gentleman died yesterday- ostensibly from the heat, even though his A/C was working and he was middle-aged, yet healthy. I wonder how many flu deaths will be passed of as either hunger or exposure due to the economy and the weather? A pastor/priest/imam/rabbi wouldn't lie about people being ill. It's another source of information if people really want to dig.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by CultureD]

reply to post by Absum!

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I don't understand how you could consider this a mild flu, or no worse than a normal flu. That line was fed to the people by the MSM a few weeks ago. Right now the CFR rate is .43% and now look at these numbers for the last 3 pandemics.

I didn't say anywhere that I considered it mild. I said

I believe that while H1N1 is not much different from regular seasonal influenza at this point, it has a real possibility of being much worse if it recurs again later on in the year.

It is anything but mild.

If you look at Mr. Osborn's graphs, they indicate that the CFR is attenuating, much as seasonal flues do. I think H1N1 is a serious concern, as I stated.

Appreciate your bringing Peter Osborn's information to light. He also follows CDC, Pandemicflu.gov, WHO. At this point, the more information, the better and sometimes people who cull from these sources, present the material in a more digestible form.

I've stated elsewhere here at ATS that I firmly believe H1N1 numbers to be severely underreported; I can see it happening here in my own country as well as others. The CDC say themselves that they are overwhelmed with sampling, and the methodology is to sample from one or two from a group and extropolate from there. I think this also results in an underreporting of total deaths.

Our seasonal flu usually spikes up initially, attenuates and results in an overall average. I hope that's what happens with H1N1, but I don't believe it will. We will see.

Thanks again for the information.

reply to post by Karlhungis

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Good angle Karl.... I hadn't made that connection, but I think it's a valid one. That would certainly widen the conspiracy to a premeditated pandemic, wouldn't it. I hope that's not so, as it would be yet another conspiracy that would be extremely difficult to prove.

As always, we'll just have to keep our eyes wide open and take the spoonfed news with a critical eye.

Somewhat off-topic, but related....... I see on one hand the MSM, whom I don't trust to give us the real story, and sites similar to this on the other hand, who might tend toward embracing "fringe" ideas. Where do we get real news? News, I guess, is in the minds of the beholder, culled from all sources and hopefully we can keep our minds open enough to change our views if/when sufficient evidence to the contrary is presented.

reply to post by argentus

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Good question about who to trust. I just don't know anymore. I certainly don't trust the MSM and sites like ATS can obviously go overboard on the sensationalism. My own personal method is to skim ATS with a heavy BS filter and hope that my intuition can lead me to the truth.

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