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Originally posted by Rockpuck
... as an entity of self preservation Governments by nature look to ensure the survival and expansion of themselves.
First OFF, I know many of you recognize how proud of a man Obama is, I know this because of the constant taking the piss out of him. I recognize this myself, on a LOGICAL level, I HIGHLY doubt that this particular man, who could potentially reach any other station in life would intentionally mar his own family name and reputation... Does not make sense -
You really think Mr Obama would like his name equated with the worlds worst man made catastrophe in HISTORY? Really
Sure it is, because your a Pauler buddy. My last post was not concerning the opinions of Paulers over the replacement of national sales tax because Iv heard it time and time again. I was discussing how much of an untested and stupid idea it was.
Have you seen this system in place? This system ends the income tax, replaces it with an increase by 30% on the goods and services industry, which will inevitably drive many americans (including myself) north and south to take regular trips into Canada and Mexico for their purchase to escape this tax system on goods and services loosing out for american businesses.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by earlywatcher
Because it will be easier for Americans to accept the Dictatorial Socialist state the PTB have in mind when most Americans won't have a job, and will see themselves not being able to feed their families.
When a person sees no hope, he/she will accept anything, and everything that person is told will "solve everything".
You see, there are millions of Americans armed, and even the Obama administration knows they cannot disarm all Americans just by implementing more draconian laws to grab our guns, because most Armed Americans won't stand for this.
So the easiest way is to hit our wallets. Destory the economy, make sure most Americans, or at least many of us don't have a job, and nowhere to turn to except to accept the Dictatorial Socialist regime TPTB have in mind.
President Obama got in office by lying, and making many young Americans believe that his "change" would be good for them. President Obama will continue making more promises and he, as well as his administration will claim that by nationalizing the Republic even more will make certain that families get food everyday, and he will promise other things which at the end he won't keep any, or most of his promises.
This has been done dozens of times in the past, and every time the people accepted the "change" believing it was for good, it just turned the countries into dictatorships.
[edit on 24-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Lennonist
When the economic recovers next year, with all the conservatives complaing the recovery the result of "a cycle, not a stimulus" what will Ron Pauls excuse be? I get the feeling he will be using the same alarmist rhetoric,nothing surprising really.
Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by Hemisphere
i've never been able to figure out how the jobs created/saved number is calculated. do you know? what i mean is, are jobs lost subtracted from jobs created/saved to come up with a net number? start with 100 jobs. 40 chrysler dealers laid off so 60 jobs remain. new bridge being built by stimulus bill adding 25 jobs and 25 more people won't be laid off (50 total bridge building jobs) so add that to 60 remaining from original, and you have 110, so net 10 jobs were created/saved. OR do we just forget about the 40 who lost their jobs and say that the 50 bridge building jobs are 50 jobs created/saved?
i hope you or someone can explain this to me.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
So please fill me in here what im missing again. Are your saying his not the only one advocating national sales tax? Because thats not what I said at all. Clearly the man however is on the frontline advocating it.
Sure it is, because your a Pauler buddy. My last post was not concerning the opinions of Paulers over the replacement of national sales tax because Iv heard it time and time again. I was discussing howmuch of an untested and stupid idea it was.
Taxes and Budget issues: Paul pledges to immediately work to phase out the Internal Revenue Service and eliminate the federal income tax and most cabinet departments. Supports lowering taxes to create jobs and allow taxpayers to make decisions for themselves. Believes the Federal Reserve fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply and supports its elimination. Has expressed concern that the American economy is in the hands of foreign governments because their central banks finance America’s spending. He feels that we need to stop private banks, wasteful agencies and lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments from collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our budget.
Hows that? Do you know? Have you seen this system in place? This system ends the income tax, replaces it with an increase by 30% on the goods and services industry, which will inevitably drive many americans (including myself) north and south to take regular trips into Canada and Mexico for their purchase to escape this tax system on goods and services loosing out for american businesses. Nobody has taken this into account. Further more the system will cause a headache for house and viechle buyers, the nature of the goods being purchase. As much as not having to pay income tax seems "nice", that house deposite that has just gone $10,000 more will hold back folks for saving. By the least it wont make a difference in comparison to income tax. Folks here cite the corporate taxes, the weekly tax costs of businsses, but what folks again seem to neglect is that these taxes are added into the prices of the goods and services in anycase. That cost will just be replaced by pay increases for employees.
You have not seen system place, none of the Paulers have, all I hear is talk, as usual.
Yes and you got my analysis on the result of that. The only governments that will be gaining from this are the Mexican and Canadian governments, in addition the money gained from not having to pay income taxes by employees will just get sucked into the increase in prices for products and services so in reality nobody gains anything. Its another stupid pyramid scheme type of a system.
[edit on 24-6-2009 by Southern Guardian]
Originally posted by Teeky
reply to post by earlywatcher
Yes I too have been trying to figure out why the elite are destroying their cushy life styles. The reason I've come up with is that the true shadow government wants to dwindle down a lot of the super rich elite. It's a redistribution of power. They want less players and more control.
Also I question whether the shadow government even truly cares about money.
If they control all the resources, advanced technologies, and weapons, money is the last thing they would care about. The money is used to control us.