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Ron Paul: Obama's 'goal' is economic collapse

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posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 11:49 PM
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There have been other peoples in this country as far back as the 1970s and 1980s talking about infaltion and economic collapse. Ron Paul is just one of the peoples who survived and outlasted most of the others sufficient to become more widely known.

No amount of government programs financed on deficit spending can replace a productive private sector. This kind of government created jobs and takeovers is already going on in the UK without much success. The UK is rapidly killing off the private sector while creating more government jobs. Amazing they have lasted this long. If you look carefully you will see that we are following the very template of the European countries and the UK in social programs and government created jobs...while killing off and heavily regulating the private sector. It eventually leads to stagnation and failure of the economy.

This is not new..it was going on in Persia and Ancient Rome...with the money lenders too. Deficit spending.

Ron Paul is correct about the wars and war spending. The wars just cause more debt to this country simply because we dont bring home any spoils of war. Thus obviously meaning we fight these wars for someone elses profit..and booty..not ours. Only Americans can go to war..over and over and over...sacrafice their finest blood..and spend billions and think this is normal just to walk away. Amazing.

" To the victors go the spoils."

It never seems to occur to people broiught up on a diet of television and movies..that we loose the wars simply because we bring home no spoils...that we are actually fighting someone elses war...someone who is getting or controlling the spoils. Only Americans can be this naturally dumb they dont get it while waving the flag.

Has it ever occured to some of you folks that if we had left Saddam in power ...he would still be selling oil throught the Oil for food program ..and lowering the price of oil at the pump??? More free lance competition.We went to war to keep the price of oil up and the supply controlled.
Find that simplicity on the fabled Fox news ..or any of the others.

Ron Paul is correct in just about everything of which he speaks fiscally.
I believe he is also correct in that the intent is to collapse our economy and natoin. To eventually introduce a new form of government here with a new constitution. Against the will and over the objections of the people of this country.

Historically when ever a nations economy collapses....the government falls. When the government falls..there is little chance historically that the new government replacing it will be any better. Usually they tend to be worse and more despotic/dictatorial.

Orangetom



[edit on 23-6-2009 by orangetom1999]




posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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[edit on 24-6-2009 by mental modulator]



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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Well, I think this is FOOLISH speculation on many levels...

First OFF, I know many of you recognize how proud of a man Obama is, I know this because of the constant taking the piss out of him. I recognize this myself, on a LOGICAL level, I HIGHLY doubt that this particular man, who could potentially reach any other station in life would intentionally mar his own family name and reputation... Does not make sense -
You really think Mr Obama would like his name equated with the worlds worst manmade catastrophe in HISTORY? Really


Second, do you think the PTB have some sort of alien capital? US economic collapse
will do just that to their own capital, collapse it and risk decades of power play investments, relationships, positioning and a century of asset appreciation...???

The PTB work by keeping life STATIC enough, they will poke you just enough so that you do not bother to stand up and fight. What you see is the result of the PTB, you working just to LIVE, having barely enough to make it,,, fools.

But dawn yer crowns and defend the policies that indenture yourself to the PTB... However, NO SOCIALISMS
code for anything that might endanger the PTB'S holdings!

Eliminate - minimum wage, toxic load restrictions, public transportation, public education,
school meal programs...

public defenders are NOT SOCIALIST!

we will pay for your jail cell when you killing some, but we will not pay for your
hospital bed if you fall down the stairs
GO AMERICA!


Remember, PLEEEASE REMEMBER to udder the word SOCIALIST regardless of the stimuli and maybe the PTB will give you a cookie.


When things get better we will hear

BUSH DID IT!!!





Anyhow, RP is putting garlic in yer smoothies this time... yuuuuuuuuuummmmmm


OUR machine totally broken down does not serve the PTB - A day lost is a multitude of Billions lost...

Besides when you finally elect JEB or his ilk the PTB will have you to suck hard on again!

"END and Socialisms, be a patriotic!"TM.


JEB 2012 -3056!!!


[edit on 24-6-2009 by mental modulator]



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by mental modulator

"END and Socialisms, be a patriotic!"TM.


JEB 2012 -3056!!!



What on earth are you talking about?



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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So I guess what we should be doing is preparing. Could there come a time when we fight for food? Would it be smart to introduce skills into your life that could help you live off the land. Will there be any land available to run away to? Where would you go now if you saw the oportunity ro free yourself. Is there such a place......



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by ludaChris
Sorry dude, but a national sales tax is not under "Ron Pauls caped leadership."


So your saying here his not advocating national sales tax and then you reference me this:



The IRS could be replaced with a flat tax or national sales tax, although any consumption tax must be coupled with prompt repeal of the 16th amendment.


So please fill me in here what im missing again. Are your saying his not the only one advocating national sales tax? Because thats not what I said at all. Clearly the man however is on the frontline advocating it.


A national sales tax would be a step in the right direction in my opinion


Sure it is, because your a Pauler buddy. My last post was not concerning the opinions of Paulers over the replacement of national sales tax because Iv heard it time and time again. I was discussing howmuch of an untested and stupid idea it was.


but that would probably pull in more revenue than the income tax.


Hows that? Do you know? Have you seen this system in place? This system ends the income tax, replaces it with an increase by 30% on the goods and services industry, which will inevitably drive many americans (including myself) north and south to take regular trips into Canada and Mexico for their purchase to escape this tax system on goods and services loosing out for american businesses. Nobody has taken this into account. Further more the system will cause a headache for house and viechle buyers, the nature of the goods being purchase. As much as not having to pay income tax seems "nice", that house deposite that has just gone $10,000 more will hold back folks for saving. By the least it wont make a difference in comparison to income tax. Folks here cite the corporate taxes, the weekly tax costs of businsses, but what folks again seem to neglect is that these taxes are added into the prices of the goods and services in anycase. That cost will just be replaced by pay increases for employees.

You have not seen system place, none of the Paulers have, all I hear is talk, as usual.


A tax on EVERYTHING you can possibly buy. Think about what that would bring in on a daily, monthly, and yearly basis.


Yes and you got my analysis on the result of that. The only governments that will be gaining from this are the Mexican and Canadian governments, in addition the money gained from not having to pay income taxes by employees will just get sucked into the increase in prices for products and services so in reality nobody gains anything. Its another stupid pyramid scheme type of a system.

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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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TPTB have all the money they need, our money!!!! Now its about power

and de-populating the world!!!! We have served our purpose as slaves

well!!

[edit on 24-6-2009 by truth/seeker]



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 12:33 AM
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Yes, Obama wants economic collapse.

This is why he's trying to change the infrastructure of the country. Obama knows Americans can't pay for all this borrowing and spending in a global economy.

When we have to switch currencies that will be the end of America and Obama's and the liberals dream socialist /fascist state will have it's infrastructure in place.

Obama even says we are going to create jobs that will never leave the country. He says this with a straight face and Americans buy it.

There are no jobs that will not leave the country in a global economy with cheap labor. Especially when people overseas are becoming much smarter than many Americans because are poor Public school system.

So, this is not true. We can't create the kind of jobs or enough jobs to sustain all of this spending. Obama and the democrats have to know this.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by earlywatcher

Originally posted by mental modulator

"END and Socialisms, be a patriotic!"TM.


JEB 2012 -3056!!!



What on earth are you talking about?


JEB BUSH my brother- FOR LIFE!!!

GO PALIN REEL AMERIKAN FOR REEL AMERIKA!!!



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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Because it will be easier for Americans to accept the Dictatorial Socialist state the PTB have in mind when most Americans won't have a job, and will see themselves not being able to feed their families.

When a person sees no hope, he/she will accept anything, and everything that person is told will "solve everything".

You see, there are millions of Americans armed, and even the Obama administration knows they cannot disarm all Americans just by implementing more draconian laws to grab our guns, because most Armed Americans won't stand for this.

So the easiest way is to hit our wallets. Destory the economy, make sure most Americans, or at least many of us don't have a job, and nowhere to turn to except to accept the Dictatorial Socialist regime TPTB have in mind.


President Obama got in office by lying, and making many young Americans believe that his "change" would be good for them. President Obama will continue making more promises and he, as well as his administration will claim that by nationalizing the Republic even more will make certain that families get food everyday, and he will promise other things which at the end he won't keep any, or most of his promises.

This has been done dozens of times in the past, and every time the people accepted the "change" believing it was for good, it just turned the countries into dictatorships.



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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 02:23 AM
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What do they try to accomplish ?
This was planned since 2001. Because of PEAK OIL .

"They" don't want the chaos that will happen when suddenly there is no gas at the gas station. "They" want a controlled descent, a slowing down of the oil consumption, to maintain the current system and their positions of power.

Peak oil is real. Read here, they already talk about "decline". Also google for it.

www.energyinvestmentstrategies.com...

Output from the world’s oilfields is declining faster than previously thought, the first authoritative public study of the biggest fields shows.

Without extra investment to raise production, the natural annual rate of output decline is 9.1 per cent , the International Energy Agency says in its annual report, the World Energy Outlook, a draft of which has been obtained by the Financial Times.


9.1% decline rate is huge. It means we get to half our current production in less than 10 years. Also search Export Land Model







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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:04 AM
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I for one am excited about the end of our economy. Who really needs to live stressed out by this or that. I see people everyday who look miserable or tired (burnt out) from working with the system. Its time for a new system, a local system.
Just to add; when the changes come forth and we struggle to move around new options we'll be given to us. I would not let yourselves get worked up over this.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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Broken record. Iv heard many things from Ron Paul, doesnt make me even turn much anymore. We are in an economic crises, true, but as per usual we get the alarmists coming out and push their own agenda. Because we dont choose ron pauls route, to close down the IRS and replace it with another agency to handle the skyrocketing taxes on our products in place of income taxes to which millions will then cross into Canada and Mexico for their products, the goal here is economic collapse. Funny we have not even seen his plan in action before, the man doesnt even know whether it works let alone how its going to work. All it is, "end the fed", end just another agency and that will solve our problems, to be eventually replaced with another problem i.e another agency.

Not all of us buy the Ron Paul talk. True, Iv said this before, the man had the balls to tell it like it is back in 03' but nothing further than that. When the economic recovers next year, with all the conservatives complaing the recovery the result of "a cycle, not a stimulus" what will Ron Pauls excuse be? I get the feeling he will be using the same alarmist rhetoric,nothing surprising really.


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You are so full of crap We have seen his plan before it was the same plan that brought this nation to greatness before 1913. As a matter of fact the industrial revolution happened during that period of freedom and what are we left with now. I was talking to a guy out here. This man bought his house in 1970 for 14000 and He was making 6.50 an hour with 84 hours a week. If there was no taxes back then He would have his house paid off in 21 weeks. That same house today costs 150K+ and guess what I am in the same field making 400 a day but yet it would take me over a year and a half to pay it off with no taxes. Get You head out of the clouds because apparently You don't even realize how screwed we really are..... Oh btw I make more than the position he was in when He started so it would take them 3 years to pay it off today.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by daddyroo45
reply to post by Southern Guardian
 

Southern Guardian, is this recovery in a year a prognostication,or do you have the inside track with a soon to be appointed Truth Czar?
The IRS has it's work cut out for it. Near 10% unemployment combined with shortened work weeks for some of the lucky few with jobs. Means less tax revenue to collect and dispurse. Where oh where will the shortfall be made up? New and inventive taxes would be my guess. Maybe the Federal Reserve with it's new super powers will just collect it straight from the consumer.
Yep the plan as it stands looks like it is working soooo well right now! Just a few short months and we'll all be back in the money again.....



I know 5 or 6 people right now that I work with that have been audited. Everyone of them is getting screwed big time because with those cock suckers they change the rules on You and You always win unless You have money to fight them. I was audited 2 years ago and it cost me 11k to get them off of my back because they have all the rules. The worst part is I didn't file for years and low and behold I went back and redid my taxes and guess what I could only go back for 2 years while them on the other hand they can go back 7 years.

I love the welfare assholes they are always saying raise taxes raise taxes and they could care less the terror they inflict upon people. They have people every year that commit suicide because of the IRS. The worst part about it is a 1 dollar mistake in their favor can cost You over 10,000 dollars because they have the right to remove all of Your exemptions.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:44 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by daddyroo45
Southern Guardian, is this recovery in a year a prognostication


Choose your excuse daddyroo45:

"its just a cycle, we were going to recover anyway"
"The recovery was the result of Bushes trillion dollar tax cuts 8 years ago"
"Its all a sham"

I sure hope you'll be around next year, and the year after. If anything, having been on this site for three years (my other membership with similar name), Iv seen the typical suspects leave and the mysterious ones pop up with new user names, not to be held accountable to their histories. Hopefully then I can use this very thread here to reference this to yours and the others reply to the economic normality next year.


The IRS has it's work cut out for it.
And when the national sales tax is implemented vai ron Pauls caped leadership, what agency is going to handle that? And how are american businesses going to handle the millions fleeing across the borders to avoid the 30% tax increase on the products?


Near 10% unemployment combined with shortened work weeks for some of the lucky few with jobs.


And? As far as I can see it, for the worst economic crises in decades, I wouldnt be jumpy to assume somebody was going to end it in a matter of months. This mess accumulated over an 8year period while you and your buddies here kept shut. I really dont see an 8year mess getting itself solved in 8months, regardless of who it is.

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Oh Jesus if You actually had a clue about business.... Put it this way I make 400 dollars a day and if I quit and went contract I would get paid 600 dollars a day with the same company. The reason I would get paid is because they wouldn't have to pay for SSI, Unemployment, Insurance, & other hidden fees. Your pay that You get can actually be a lot higher without all these hidden taxes. I figured out all the taxes and a person making 47k to 116k only makes 39 cents out of every dollar made. I am not even counting the 6 to 8% inflation or sales taxes. You #ing liberals think You are so intelligent but in reality You have got to be must stupid people on earth..... New flash business taxes are around 40% and if You removed those taxes what they hell is a 33% sales tax going to matter? Would You want a job or do You want cheap Chinese goods? I think personally You just want to leech off of everyone else working 60 to 100 hours a week and groan oh help me because my 40 hour a week job don't pay enough. Hey with enough hours 10 dollars an hour can make You 100k a year and I know because I did it...



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by jkm1864

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by daddyroo45
Southern Guardian, is this recovery in a year a prognostication


Choose your excuse daddyroo45:

"its just a cycle, we were going to recover anyway"
"The recovery was the result of Bushes trillion dollar tax cuts 8 years ago"
"Its all a sham"

I sure hope you'll be around next year, and the year after. If anything, having been on this site for three years (my other membership with similar name), Iv seen the typical suspects leave and the mysterious ones pop up with new user names, not to be held accountable to their histories. Hopefully then I can use this very thread here to reference this to yours and the others reply to the economic normality next year.


The IRS has it's work cut out for it.
And when the national sales tax is implemented vai ron Pauls caped leadership, what agency is going to handle that? And how are american businesses going to handle the millions fleeing across the borders to avoid the 30% tax increase on the products?


Near 10% unemployment combined with shortened work weeks for some of the lucky few with jobs.


And? As far as I can see it, for the worst economic crises in decades, I wouldn't be jumpy to assume somebody was going to end it in a matter of months. This mess accumulated over an 8year period while you and your buddies here kept shut. I really dont see an 8year mess getting itself solved in 8months, regardless of who it is.

[edit on 23-6-2009 by Southern Guardian]



Oh Jesus if You actually had a clue about business.... Put it this way I make 400 dollars a day and if I quit and went contract I would get paid 600 dollars a day with the same company. The reason I would get paid is because they wouldn't have to pay for SSI, Unemployment, Insurance, & other hidden fees. Your pay that You get can actually be a lot higher without all these hidden taxes. I figured out all the taxes and a person making 47k to 116k only makes 39 cents out of every dollar made. I am not even counting the 6 to 8% inflation or sales taxes. You #ing liberals think You are so intelligent but in reality You have got to be must stupid people on earth..... New flash business taxes are around 40% and if You removed those taxes what they hell is a 33% sales tax going to matter? Would You want a job or do You want cheap Chinese goods? I think personally You just want to leech off of everyone else working 60 to 100 hours a week and groan oh help me because my 40 hour a week job don't pay enough. Hey with enough hours 10 dollars an hour can make You 100k a year and I know because I did it...


Well frankly you conservatives shill so hard for the ELITE it is pathetic.
The hidden track on this broken record is you are CLUELESS!
Also to cite idiocy is actually amusing considering that devastation the institutions you ultimately shill for have sunk this ship, robbed us blind. Yer Bush and his give away to enitiies that control this government and the consolidation of power. All of which piggy backs on your sloganeering and TIMELESS water bucket transportation that echoes throughout the ages.

What do you know of other peoples work schedules, work ethic, work volume or economic standing? Sounds like a school yard tantrum to me...

BTW I'm glad you worked 36.5 hours a day at $10 an hour and made $100,000
That is some GOP indicative math, thats for sure

If your synopsis of liberals is correct then you most certainly are a liberal sire.

I hope you enjoy a decade of it, then there will be Hillary...

BTW I used to walk 37 miles up a hill through the snow thru the mojave desert in August just to get to school... and then I had to walk 64 miles to get back...

Have fun math master



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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The minority clan in the Obama admin wants to crash corrupt capitalism to implement a moneyless resource-based economy. The majority bows to TPTB for fear of their lives.

TPTB could assassinate Obama who would die a martyr. This would ignite a black and white clash, a pretext for martial law, leading to NAU.



[edit on 24-6-2009 by ctjctjctj]



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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In my entire life i have never trusted in politician's words.
But somehow, i trust Ron Paul.
I just wish he was a president candidate in my country.

I wish good luck to the american ppl, because your actual economical and political situation doesnt look nice and i dont expect it to get better any time soon.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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The scary thing to me is that soooo many people believe in the president and think he can help them. In reality he is running everything great about this country into the ground. When he starts changing laws, like presidential terms and things like this, then what will we do? Well at least almost half of America isn't stupid and didn't fall for his BS. I guess if we have to we will stand up for ourselves.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by earlywatcher
this certainly seems to be the endgame of what's happening. it's so weird though. why would the government want that? I mean, really! plus the plethora of unconstitutional actions taken over the past few months. as it is, regular people don't have any way to stop it except a lot of complaining and writing useless letters to congress. it would seem that the end goal of the industrial takeovers, giving the fed greater power and even less accountability can only lead to violent revolt. eventually it will be too much for anybody to accept. so why are they trying to push things into violent revolt?

i can't understand what they are really trying to accomplish with this.


Think of it like this:

It's a Coup.. only, because of the way our government is established, and the mindset of Americans.. it's not an internal Coup against the Government, it's a Government Coup D'etat against the American people..

If we are as ignorant and docile as they believe we are, it will be a silent Coup D'etat and few will be the wiser.. If we catch on, or a charismatic leader turns us against the current operations, it could be ugly. No Government has ever looked for the people first and the government second, as an entity of self preservation Governments by nature look to ensure the survival and expansion of themselves.



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