American Airlines Exposes Bush's Big Lie: Flights 11 and 77 DID NOT FLY on 9/11

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by thegreatobserver

 

"small hole" at the WTC???

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Did you see the gashes?

Oh, and that Pentagon rubbish again?? Look at the pictures of the OUTSIDE of the building, where the airplane hit, not the stupid hole in the 'E' ring! Sheesh!

Well, both holes are surely too small for the type of plain officials claim crashed in there...
There have been done extensive measurements of the plain as well as the impact holes but I think that wasn't something you would be interested in, would you?

Once people have an opinion on something it is almost unchangeable. You can't make the blind see.....

Doesn't quite fit: Impact - Plain Comparison

Also, this type of plain has huge turbins that would have carved the ground well before impact.....nothing!? No carvings in the ground from turbins or other parts of the plain
And the impact hole implies that the plain must have been low on the ground....

And here we go; NO, a Boeing 757 doesn't fit in here either: Impact hole WTC
However, I am convinced some kind of plain flew in there. So, I'm not one of those no-plain theory guys....



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No, the holes were not too small to fit commercial airliners in. That whole load of BS has been debunked on countless threads right in this forum.

And yes, you are technically a No-Planer, since you subscribe to the theory that something other than Boeing 757s and 767s crashed into the WTC and Pentagon.

reply to post by thegreatobserver


nomoregames.net...

Firstly, observer, that photo is a frame from a possible interpretation that was programmed into a computer to calculate the dynamics of the impact.

In reality it looks more like the airplane hit somewhere higher than the ground floor, between second to third. It DID hit at the oblique angle...and best way to explain that is for you to cut a piece of paper at an angle to represent the swept wings of the jet.

Here: www.airliners.net...

Now, compare the apparent width of the wings as you rotate them next to a straight edge. Like scissors, they are widest (124'10") when 'head-on'. Gradually less so, at an angle.

Again, your second picture of the lawn....airplane didn't come in that low. There are other photos showing debris, however.

www.911myths.com...

(Click the bullet point beginning "There Was No Wreckage...")

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well thats strange, if those flights did not take off that day, then where did all the passengers go?

reply to post by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


One of the great methods of deception. Planes hit the wtc 1 & 2 but not the pentagon. I am sorry but no one has even come close to proving flight 77 hit the pentagon.

reply to post by jprophet420


jprophet, have you read this link?:

www.aerospaceweb.org...

There was plenty of debris at the Pentagon besides the engines, too. AND DNA.....

This subject was beaten to death in 2007.

If both flights were not scheduled to fly, nor actually flew, it only takes a little exercise in thinking to understand what ALSO would have to be true. One soon realizes that hundreds of people are involved in flight operations for each flight, from curbside check-in, to food suppliers, to baggage handlers, to travel agents, to maintenance, to fueling, to ATC and everything in between.

Does anyone think Len Hart would find and tell all those people that what they did on 9/11 never happened?

www.youtube.com...

This link to a youtube video is self explanatory

The nose of the plane comes out the other side of the building intact with no damage.

reply to post by fmcanarney


Sorry, canarney.

That's some horse flop from a bloke called "Simon Shack", and it's been shown to be a flat out lie, and manipulated by him...unfortunately, others have fallen for it, so it just won't die.

Seriously, you can find an explanation detailing every aspect of what's wrong with Simon Shack's "interpretation."

Only thing left now is to determine his, and others', motivations.....

Originally posted by jthomas
This subject was beaten to death in 2007.

If both flights were not scheduled to fly, nor actually flew, it only takes a little exercise in thinking to understand what ALSO would have to be true. One soon realizes that hundreds of people are involved in flight operations for each flight, from curbside check-in, to food suppliers, to baggage handlers, to travel agents, to maintenance, to fueling, to ATC and everything in between.

Does anyone think Len Hart would find and tell all those people that what they did on 9/11 never happened?

On the surface you bring up a good point.....however, once you realize the amount of secrecy involved in the Manhattan project, you soon realize that it is in fact very plausible.

The Manhattan Project was kept secret from the Amercian people for almost six years!!!

Did you know that over 130,000 personnel worked on this project in over 13 different states.


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Originally posted by OnTheFelt

On the surface you bring up a good point.....however, once you realize the amount of secrecy involved in the Manhattan project, you soon realize that it is in fact very plausible.

The Manhattan Project was kept secret from the Amercian people for almost six years!!!

Did you know that over 130,000 personnel worked on this project in over 13 different states.

But there's a HUGE difference. The Manhattan Project was an organized effort by the government with high levels of security clearance to permit designated people to know and be involved.

What I am speaking to is hundreds of disconnected people in many different aspects of independent endeavors to accomplish what is required for a scheduled flight to fly and carry passengers. And don't forget the family and friends of the passengers. And the number of people in businesses who knew or sent many of those people on a business trip with scheduled appointments at the other end. The list can go on and on.

The fact that it was declared on 9/11 what flights were involved and soon who was on those flights without anyone with any ties to those flights in any capacity all over the country raising a whisper of protest since then, ought to be obvious.

What you are suggesting is the proposition that the government would have perfect foreknowledge of every single possible person who could know of the flights' non-existence and successfully keep their mouths shut when independent sources and the government said they were actual flights that had been hijacked and crashed.

Instead, we have the announced crashes of each flight within a half-hour of each crash and not a single person of the HUNDREDS who would have had to know of the flights existence to prepare for the flights, nor any of the countless unknown numbers of people who would have known of the passenger's itinerary, saying otherwise.

The one thing about unsuccessful conspiracy theories is the extent to which new "scenarios", far more complicated and implausible then previous ones, have to be invented to "explain" the conspiracy one is trying to prove as previous "scenarios" fall apart. It is no different with 9/11 conspiracy theories like this one.