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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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reply to post by mf_luder
 


Glad to have given you a chuckle.

Playing on their paranoid dilusions is a lot more entertaining then argueing with them.




posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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jd:
Were you referring to me(OP)when you stated "Playing on their paranoid dilusions is a lot more entertaining then argueing with them?" If so, I'll save you some time in the future for this thread, I could really care less if I died in my sleep tonight, so I'm not paranoid about anything, I mean absolutely nothing. And as far as being delusional (please note the correct spelling), if I were delusional, then I would actually have some hope for this F.U. world we live in and actually care if I lived to see Alabama maybe win another National Championship in football. I do however like a good argument now and then with a worthy opponent, but I have a gut feeling you would be a waste of time.

Peace jd,
CBS



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 06:55 AM
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I'm pretty sure he was referring specifically to those who are convinced that those in the military are just itching to start shooting civilians and can't be reasoned with. You haven't posted anything that I have seen saying anything close to that so you wouldn't be included in the group he's referring to.




On a side note, jd that description of their reaction was hilarious. I can see it now.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by CBS01
reply to post by jd140
 


jd:
Were you referring to me(OP)when you stated "Playing on their paranoid dilusions is a lot more entertaining then argueing with them?" If so, I'll save you some time in the future for this thread, I could really care less if I died in my sleep tonight, so I'm not paranoid about anything, I mean absolutely nothing. And as far as being delusional (please note the correct spelling), if I were delusional, then I would actually have some hope for this F.U. world we live in and actually care if I lived to see Alabama maybe win another National Championship in football. I do however like a good argument now and then with a worthy opponent, but I have a gut feeling you would be a waste of time.

Peace jd,
CBS


You really could care less if you died tonight in your sleep?

Are you saying you have nothing to live for? Thats kind of sad and pathetic.

What do you care if arguing with me will be a waste of time? Obviously you have nothing else to do if you are ready to die tonight in your sleep.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by CBS01
 


I'm pretty sure he was referring specifically to those who are convinced that those in the military are just itching to start shooting civilians and can't be reasoned with. You haven't posted anything that I have seen saying anything close to that so you wouldn't be included in the group he's referring to.




On a side note, jd that description of their reaction was hilarious. I can see it now.


Let him think I was referring to him if he wants.

Glad to have given you a chuckle.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 03:46 AM
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jd:
This is my last correspondence with you. In this life, you don't choose when or if to be born Or die, unless you take your own life which is a major sin. What I should have said is "I'm at peace w/ myself and my God and whatever happens, happens, at any given time." I have much to live for but when your number's up, it's up. Nothing you can do about it. I don't have a death wish, it's just that I'm ready when the time comes. My wife doesn't even understand my outlook so I can appreciate you asking your question about how sad my life must be, but it's actually quite the opposite.

Peace jd,
CBS



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Very zen of you.

I hope you are still at peace with your humanity when a platoon of my fellow soldiers take over your street and start shooting your neighbors for misbehaving.

"my last correspondence with you"



You're the one who mistakenly to offense to a post I made and came off as billy bad ass claiming you don't care if you die right now. Don't pretend to be taking some higher road.

My post was funny, laugh.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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jd:

You were correct, I did make a judgment error and was a smartass to you & I apologize for that. And, I did get a kick out of your post by the way. I think I just took your condescending attitude toward civilians from the very beginning personal and got an attitude problem. I'll drink a shot in your honor and just forget about this. Peace?

Peace,
CBS



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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This reminds me of the new Battlestar Galactica series where all the civilians were pissed at the military types - I can't remember the specific episode, but its funny to see how fiction parallels real life a lot.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Most of the people I talk to will side with the consititution.

In no way would the army "follow orders". it's what makes our army separate from the norm.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Its forgotten as soon as I go on to the next thread.

You are words on a screen, I don't get upset over words.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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Gorman:

Thanks for your input. I think your response is what would actually happen in reality and many others believe the same based on previous replies. Some were actually very passionate about it, which I was proud to see.

Peace,
CBS



posted on Jun, 28 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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That's why I really don't see a military dictatorship or police state as possible. Because the military gets most of its recruits from patriotic constitution-loving normal young boys and girls. So I really can't see these people as lacking the common sense to see good and evil. It is so courageously reinforced in all the military things I see. The constitution is your life and your life is for it. This is a major theme and to think they would just drop it on command is simply beyond me.

I'd even imagine the military acting very democracticly if the government collapsed. I'd imagine they'd form a democratic entity out of the generals. and handle things very well.

At this point, I'd actually favor a government run by the military than by the current strain of presidents. I see a lot of military personnel with so much intellect, so much love of freedom, and so much want to remain free. The only reason they do not stand up for it to their own government is purely out of the fact it is their own land. Their eternal hope for the government to fix itself is something that keeps this nation very secure, even in the most fearful of times.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 05:09 AM
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As a soldier in the United States Army my duty is to follow my orders as well as think on my own and follow the seven Army Values. Loyalty Duty Respect Honor Integrity and Personal Courage.

Loyalty
Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. CONSTITUTION, the Army, and other soldiers.
Be loyal to the NATION and its heritage.

Duty
Fulfill your obligations.
Accept responsibility for your own actions and those entrusted to your care.
Find opportunities to improve oneself for the good of the group.

Respect
Rely upon the golden rule.
How we consider others reflects upon each of us, both personally and as a professional organization.

Selfless Service
Put the welfare of the NATION, the Army, and your subordinates before your own.
Selfless service leads to organizational teamwork and encompasses discipline, self-control and faith in the system.

Honor
Live up to all the Army values.

Integrity
Do what is right, legally and morally.
Be willing to do what is right even when no one is looking.
It is our "moral compass" an inner voice.

Personal Courage
Our ability to face fear, danger, or adversity, both physical and moral courage.

In my normal everyday life I do my best to abide by the seven army values. I try not to have a big ego and always morally do the right thing. I know that I would never harm an American Citizen nor would my fellow soldiers. If it's against the United States Constitution or not morally right I will not do it, nor would any other United States Soldier.

I work for you the people of the United States of America, not terrorists.

[edit on 7/2/2009 by jca2005]



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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Enough mils. will fire on civis. This is one reason for desensitizing violence of video games. Training and densitization. Very clear, painful examples can be found on youtube, in which obvious meat headed jugheads, blaring literal Fck You!! heavy metal music, storm along Baghdad streets in tanks, shooting at anything. Plenty of that footage out there. Plenty.

This is precisely the reason our Constitution specifically bars a standing army in or armed military operations in own country.

This is also precisely the reason the National Guard is composed of armed but local paramilitary force.

Power comes from the people.

Fascist government wants to invert that, empowering the few global, insane, inbred elites.

You would do well to read (on scribd dotcom) "The Atlantean Conspiracy"

Soon. Like, now.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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Hollywood and all other mass media is totally controlled. You better unplug and WTFU.

If you want to see an example of 'film paralleling real life' look up on wikipedia The Lone Gunmen, a TV series with an episode that literally, almost point-by-point, portrayed 9/11 WTC attacks months before they happened.

No way that's coincidence. Look it up on wikipedia. Watch it on youtube. Stop being such a fool and back up your presumed patriotic stance with real fact and substance.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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Was told recently of a marine in Montana who said they were being trained to prepare to take Americans guns and to show no mercy even in killing women and children.

some will some will not they are after all humans just like us and some will do whatever their told and others will think for themselves. So like everything else, its six of one and half a dozen of the other.

But, better question, will they just come and knock on your door knowing you are armed? Or will they hit us when we least expect it and in a way we don't see coming?



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Just a note...

All Marines are taught that there are 3 types of orders that are never obeyed

1. Illegal
2. Unethical
3. Immoral

Can't speak for the other branches, but Marines are taught this in Boot

Semper

I served (for over 23 years) in all branches and components, except the Sea Services, so I can speak for the other services.

We take an oath to "defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic!" Training also includes not following illegal orders. There is even a UCMJ clause against giving an order that you know will not be followed.



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by spiritwomyn
Was told recently of a marine in Montana who said they were being trained to prepare to take Americans guns and to show no mercy even in killing women and children.

some will some will not they are after all humans just like us and some will do whatever their told and others will think for themselves. So like everything else, its six of one and half a dozen of the other.

But, better question, will they just come and knock on your door knowing you are armed? Or will they hit us when we least expect it and in a way we don't see coming?

Marines in Montana? Was the story teller smoking something?



posted on Jul, 2 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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I'd be willing to bet he was refering to a Marine reservist. They can be found in every state.

However, the rest of the post... The good stuff! (What he was smoking)

[edit on 2-7-2009 by JaxonRoberts]





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