Would our military personnel honor the Constitution or just follow orders?

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posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Hello Everyone:
I hope everyone's doing well. (First of all, I'll point out as you'll soon realize yourself I'm still an "apprentice" here and trying to figure a few things out, but I am doing the best I can to do what's expected of me. I did search and read Many other threads to try & be sure this topic has not been discussed the way I'm presenting it, if I missed something just disregard this post & burn it.)
I would like to hear as much input from current and past military personnel as possible, but I'm just as interested and curious in allllllllllllllllllll opinions on this question. In getting to my question. If our beloved country reaches the point where many believe it's headed, which is part of either a NWO, martial law/police state, or several other versions of a militarized nation, would our military personnel just follow orders and kill/imprison their own family and friends, or would they stand up for our Constitution and what America is based on and rebel against the upper-tier government leaders, who are playing the average soldiers superiors like puppets? I hope our military establishments are not creating "robot soldiers" but soldiers who are able to think for themselves, and still follow orders at the same time. Now that I think about it, that could be a bonus the military gets out of mechanizing so many things lately. Drones and machines don't have a conscience, opinions, guilt, nor the ability to go into a courtroom and testify. They can save lives, yes, don't get me wrong. But, they can also "save lives" in another manner under some circumstances too. Night, night...........


Peace Everyone,
CBS




posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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depends on the soldier, this question has come up alot and it seems like beating a dead dog at this point.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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WoW. My optical nerve feels like jello after reading that....sorry....but you ever consider writing in paragraphs, make it a bit easier to read.

IMHO, I wouldn't think so.

Most of us who took that oath, will stand by it and protect our citizens, regardless who wants to give an order of otherwise.

It would be difficult for our military to take over Baltimore, never mind the whole country.

It's suicide.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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From other posts I've read touching on this issue, I'd say the military will follow orders and fire on their brothers. Military people will be the first to tell you, they do as they are told and they follow orders, period!

If the boss handing down the orders doesn't give a crap about the constittion neither do they...

Star and flag



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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This has been touched on - but let's touch some more..!




Orders would be followed until The Incident......


The incident could be an order to kill other soldiers for whatever reason, mass civilian displacement/re-location (imagine where their family is being moved to...), obvious war atrocities...sooner hopefully than later, group think would wear off and reason would take over - hopefully.

And IMO our soldiers deserve, actually All soldiers deserve the benefit of the doubt...for every f'd up action by one soldier, I would think 10 worthy actions happen at the same moment...





posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:02 AM
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Ben:
Well, I learned something new tonight. I did write in paragraphs but it was in "business format." Evidently, ATS bunches everything together if you don't skip a line between paragraphs. I know better now thanks to you and I'm grateful.
Peace dude,
CBS



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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Just a note...

All Marines are taught that there are 3 types of orders that are never obeyed

1. Illegal
2. Unethical
3. Immoral

Can't speak for the other branches, but Marines are taught this in Boot

Semper



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:08 AM
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Those post you are referring to are of people who have never been in the military or someone who has been in the military and now holds a grudge.

I usually give a sarcastic answer to these type of post stating that I would shoot any civilian in my way and so and so on. Basically saying anything that people like you thinks the military would do.

I give that answer because no matter what the people in the military posts here, it never makes a differance. People like you will believe what you want about the military and its easier to play on your fears, sit back and watch the "I knew it" reactions, then it is to calm your fears.

You forget that the military have families not connected to the government and those family members would be the one in harms way.

Oh well, I will sit in anticipation of the military bashing that is garunteed to follow.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Maybe your military might? don't know,I thought you must of been generalizing
all military .when you said

"Would our military personnel honor the Constitution or just follow orders?"

Sorry it was not until I read your thread near completion that I noticed this thread is for Americans only.

good luck with your thread will be interesting how the votes swing on this one.




posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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That is true. The problem is, this scenario would be an emergency obviously, so what do you do when you are facing a crowd of angry and desperate people, all of whom potentially may injure or kill you? Fire or no fire? Every soldier I have asked that question unequivocally says they will shoot first, it is a matter of survival.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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A soldier's job is to obey and carry out orders that are given to them by their superiors, that pretty much sums it up. As for the Constitution, pretty sure that no longer exists in this country due to years of using it as toilet paper.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:13 AM
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I do not think having been a soldier that it is the military you need to be concerned about. The police and private security contractors do the really dirty work. Most of them are not sworn to uphold the US Constitution and they really follow the UCC not the Constitution.

Most all of the governments business is done under the Uniform Commercial Code which is not the Constitution and does not discuss or deal with the rights of we the people as human beings with natural rights. It treats us like commercial entities based on our Social Security as a corporation set up in our name.

It strips us of our natural rights under common law.

It might sound kind of confusing but the things you see going on in the world that are truly disturbing and dis-empower the individual from our natural rights are products of the UCC. When the police arrest someone it is not for a violation of the Constitution because they do not defend the Constitution because that is not their job. They are defending commerce and the corporate government. Your rights are only recognized by but not awarded to you by the Constitution.



[edit on 6/23/2009 by UFOTECH]



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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phi1618:
Thanks for your input. As I said, I was purposefully trying to save energy and not kill an already dead "anything." My "search" terms used were obviously not adequate but I'll learn as I go here. Please overlook my mistake and I assure you I'll get better as time goes on 'cause I don't care for dead horses either, waste of everyone's time.

Peace dude,
CBS



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:22 AM
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reply to post by UFOTECH
 


Thanks for that information, that's kind of.....is the right word "disturbing?"



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:35 AM
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I'm not trying to bash the military. Nor am I afraid of what they're going to do, if and when they are called on to protect their government from the people. The Op asked for opinions and I gave mine. I feel they'll follow orders and protect their government. I hope you're right - but I fear you're wrong.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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Your fear is based on others opinions. You stated as much yourself.

Your fear is why I post the things I mentioned. You won't believe the truth so it is easier to play on your fear then it is to persuade you that it is just paranoid delusions.

I blame movies like Outbreak, Dream Catcher and any other movie that shows military personel taking over small town U.S.A for threads like this.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:55 AM
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Well being in the Military, I can tell you this, its all about the person. I for one, if I saw this happening, well I wouldnt sit by and listen to the people above me, I would fight back no matter what. As for being in the military, were here for the people and constitution, not for the goverment. So if you think were protecting the government, well we are in a sense (The Constitution), we dont like them, too much talking not enough action, but I joined to protect those I love, not to kill my own people because of the NWO. I promise you all I would never sit by if it did happen and take orders I would be the one helping to fight back, and I can tell you I've had this dicussion with some friends here and they believe the same thing, we wouldnt let it happen.



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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it happens all over the world: armies shooting their own kin, American troops will not be any different. And as for law enforcement sometimes i think they are just waiting for the chance to get to beat the living # out of populace...



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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jd140:
I can understand how my post could be generalized into one "lump sum category." However, my father served two terms in Vietnam(one in the SeaBee's & one in combat) and I have a, hopefully different respect and outlook for the military. He just died in February from proven "Agent Orange" complications so I do not wish to discuss him further. I just wanted you to know you have every right to think what you think but, I for one, classify people as individuals. How you classify me is your prerogative.

Peace jd,
CBS



posted on Jun, 23 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Paveway:
You're my new hero, that's all that needs said.

Peace Sir,
CBS





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