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Better Duck Fat People - You're Next!!!

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posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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A few years back the government started their Nazi anti smoking agenda. You could still smoke but you had to pay higher taxes than everyone else, and you couldn't do it in your own bar, office, or restaurant.
I told everyone this was the beginning of a very bad thing. I screamed from the tops of buildings... They are coming for the smokers, will you not stand with them? If not, they will come for you next!

No one listened, no one came...

A few years later the anti smoking Nazi's reared their ugly heads again. This time with even higher taxes and laws to keep people from smoking not just inside, but outside of buildings and anywhere within 20 feet of a public place. I felt like this was a bad thing. Again I screamed from the rooftops... They have come for the smokers, will you not stand with them? If not, they will come for you next!

No one listened, but this time a few came - to jump on the Nazi's bandwagon. They said it was better this way, that even outdoors people could be poisoned by my second hand smoke. I didn't tell them that sitting in traffic, or standing at a bus stop would kill them faster than my smoke, they didn't want to hear. They said it was better the government tax the smokers unfairly because someone needed to pay for their medical bills, and after all it's unfair to ask the non smokers to do so.

This week the Nazi's attacked yet again. Did I scream from the rooftops? Nope... Not this time.
This time I decided I was tired of being shaken down by the government, that the high cost of smoking just wasn't worth it anymore.

Three days ago I quit smoking. Many others are going to quit too. The government depends on that revenue, the loss is going to have to be made up somewhere. That somewhere is going to be fat people.
That's right folks, if you're 20 pounds or more over your ideal body weight, you're next!

Get used to paying that fat tax!

The governments going to need those fat tax dollars to make sure there are traffic warnings placed on TV, billboards and radio constantly reminding your loved ones, that because of your bad choices and disgusting food habits, it cost tax payers millions each year to pay for fat people's medical bills.

It's also going to cost a mint to place warning pictures of dead scantly clothed fat people on every box of Oreo's and bag of Dorritos warning people of the danger of not being able to see your private parts because of the size of your belly.

We'll also need warnings demonizing fat people on every grocery store door in the US. Over 50 percent of our youth is also fat. Could it be, they think heart attack, diabetes and certain types of cancer are cool?

The fat tax is for your own good you know, being fat can kill you...

Sound familiar? Anyone care to guess who's next???

New York wants fat tax

Ryanair votes for fat tax

Wiki - What is Fat Tax




posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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From a person who is roughly 30 pounds overweight: I have to agree with this one. I've worked with many very obese people and it always seems to be a way for them to manipulate people, not a medical issue. Being 40 pounds overweight and not having any health effects from it is one thing, being 90 or 150 pounds overweight and having medical issues that other insurance claimholders have to underwrite is another. Inducing people to become active and lose weight will save millions of dollars in a fairly short term.

From experience, try riding in a rollercoaster car or being in an accident with a morbidly obese person crushing you and you will see why airlines are charging them for extra seats.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Well if were gonna have a national health insurance program then the people of the nation should be made to do daily excerse routines and go on a diet if they are overweight.

We will have to monitor and ration food to the obese in order to stretch our health insurance (tax) dollars.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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reply to post by Sundancer
 


Its a double whammy. When I quit smoking I'm probably going to gain weight! We've got some brilliant politicians looking out for us.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Well by that logic, if a person has never cost the health care system money and only smokes a few cigarettes a day, then they shouldn't have to pay those high sin taxes on cigarettes.

Right???
Good point! S&F



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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Whats next? A sugar Czar? maybe a calorie Czar. No wait, the food police,followed by the arobics enforcement agency.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:53 PM
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That was kind of my point. It shouldn't matter how fat you are or many cigarettes you smoke, you shouldn't be singled out to be taxed unfairly. Soon we'll have a czar for everything we enjoy and he will be paid for by an unfair tax.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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I think that discouraging those who don't smoke from ever starting the habit is a good thing. With the research on second hand smoke, eliminating smoking in public areas is also a good thing. Quitting smoking is a good thing. I need to quit before I get the cancer, like my dad did. I can tell you first hand that it's a miserable way to die. I don't mind the taxes, considering what they are being used for. I do feel that the cigarette companies should also have to match these taxes, as they are the ones who got us hooked in the first place.

The cost to the healthcare system from smoking related illnesses justify this IMO.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
I think that discouraging those who don't smoke from ever starting the habit is a good thing. With the research on second hand smoke, eliminating smoking in public areas is also a good thing. Quitting smoking is a good thing. I need to quit before I get the cancer, like my dad did. I can tell you first hand that it's a miserable way to die. I don't mind the taxes, considering what they are being used for. I do feel that the cigarette companies should also have to match these taxes, as they are the ones who got us hooked in the first place.

The cost to the healthcare system from smoking related illnesses justify this IMO.


It may well be a good thing for people. However since when do people take kindly to being forced to do anything,even if it is for their own well being?



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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True enough. Nicotine is as addictive as heroin, according to studies, and as a nicotine addict, I can believe it. Sometimes we need a shove to do the right thing. I blame the cigarette companies for knowingly selling a product that kills it's customers. They are just legal drug dealers. They hid the truth about cigarettes for decades, tailored advertising to entice youth to smoke, etc. etc. etc. All for $$$$$. So if I have to pay more for my 'coffin nails' and it inspires me to quit, I'm all for it.

Edit to add: Also if the higher price discourages people, especially young people from ever starting, so much the better!

[edit on 22-6-2009 by JaxonRoberts]



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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Hitler was just trying to get people to stop depending upon the tobacco industries who were owned by people like the Rothschilds. These are things that you should consider. Also, the man wasn't perfect. He thought it was truly bad for your health, when research is showing that the people living the oldest are those smoking natural tobacco. Learn the truth about Hitler and National Socialism. Not media lies:

nvnsp.org...



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:54 PM
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What the Blue Hell does Hitler have to do with the topic of this thread???? Or Socialism for that matter? Talk about veering off track!



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by wyleecoyote
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Well by that logic, if a person has never cost the health care system money and only smokes a few cigarettes a day, then they shouldn't have to pay those high sin taxes on cigarettes.


It's called a "sin" tax because religious zealots hate freedom, and common sense Americans never speak out against this fringe group of crazy, flat earth, anti-science, dopes.

Edit to add: Well maybe that's not fair to blame religious people. There are plenty of high minded liberals and conservatives with who aren't fundies that want to control your life just as much as the religious fringe.

Americans just don't understand what it means to be a free society, I guess.

[edit on 22-6-2009 by Kaytagg]



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Yes lol, I'm sure Hitler was a very nice man but...


Oh I think this is bad...

So from what I can tell so far, most of the people who posted on his thread believe that it's OK to over tax those who are fatter than yourself and those who smoke because it's not healthy for them.

What ever happened to live and let live? What ever happened to brotherhood? I won't let them over tax your porn or twinkies, if you don't let them over tax my smokes!

Now that's American! It used to be anyway...



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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I honestly wish they'd just make smoking illegal and ban cigarettes - for my own sake! First we couldn't smoke at work anymore. Then they didn't want employees who smoked. It's all good. I have 2 cigs when I wake up and then I don't have another until I get home. Then I smoke a whole pack!
If it were illegal I just wouldn't do it and I wouldn't think twice about it. And if someone offered me a black market cig, I'd turn it down because I know darn well I can't have just one.

And I know many smokers who feel the same way I do about this.

As far as I'm concerned, cigarettes are nothing but poison, and I've been a smoker for most of my life.

Taxes aren't going to stop me from smoking. I'll go without food before I'll go without cigarettes, that's been proven. How's that for addiction! Will power alone got me through several years of cold turkey not smoking. But I wanted a cigarette the entire time! Hypnosis...didn't do a thing. Thought about wanting a cigarette for the entire session. Zyban...worked while I was on it for several months longer than prescribed...gave me the will-power to not cave to the cravings...patches, gum, lozenges, inhalers...just made me want a cigarette.

Make them illegal - then they will cease to exist for me and I'll have no choice but to become a non-smoker.

Why should they even make products that do us nothing but harm available in the first place - not to mention collect tax revenue from it???!!!



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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It's all about manipulation of the masses. Making all of us conform to certain standards that "the powers that be" think we should live by. There will be fewer and fewer individual rights left to us when they finally pull it off! And I seriously doubt it's going save you or I
any MONEY!! Give me a break!! Every time we go along with this stuff it just empowers them to do more!! Watch out!!



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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I have no problem at all with cigarette smokers being taxed, that habit ruins the health of nonsmokers and kills them through emphysema and cancer just as much as it does smokers. In 38 years I have NEVER seen a healthy smoker or person who lives around second hand smoke. NEVER.

I was thrilled the day smoking was banned in public places here because it meant I could go out to a restaurant or club and not have a bloody nose or cough till I bled the next day. I honestly cannot see how smokers put themselves through that.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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Because we are addicted, hooked, can't seem to function without our beloved nicotine, our 'crack'. One thing almost all smokers have in common is we started young, most before the age of 18. And why, you ask? Because we were led to believe it made us cool (that and the head rush you would get. Of course, that went away, but it was too late. We were hooked!). We were led to believe this through ads with images like this:




What I can't believe is some of the posters here are actually defending smoking!?!?!?!? Do you want your kids to smoke? Your grandkids??? So the government is making it tougher, GOOD!!! When I started smoking, Joe Camel was in full swing and packs of cigarettes were 85 cents. If they had been 5 bucks a pack, and not linked to 'coolness', I would have saved thousands of dollars. Money I could have spent on my kid. Money I could have spent on sooooooo many other things! If you are defending smoking, then it's because you don't want to give up your addiction, or worse, lack to courage to face a life without them! If I could figure out a way to give them up without homocidal thoughts (yeah, I get that cranky when I try to quit), I'd give 'em up today! I agree with the poster above who said they should just be made illegal. Since it's perfectly legal to sell this product, when we know it kills, then why not bring back the asbestos manufacters???



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:44 PM
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Well, you can ban smoking in private restaurants (I think it should be left to the owners discretion), without taxing the #e out of tobacco.

I'm sorry to hear you have such a violent reaction to tobacco smoke. Some people are allergic to nicotine. If you're coughing up blood from a little second hand smoke, you probably have a severe allergy to the stuff, or you have underlying health problems. Either way, coughing up blood means you should see a doctor immediately.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:49 PM
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All I'm saying... Is that I think we should have the right to decide if we want to smoke or not. Same as the right to decide if we want to eat one too many twinkies and get fat. Research is finding that being fat is VERY bad for you, so should they make McDonalds illegal because some fat people won't stop eating it when it's damaging their hearts?

I didn't want to smoke anymore so I quite. Everyone else should have that same option, it's not for someone else to make my decisions in life about what's good or not good for me.



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