Are people so uneducated as to think the world could function without monetary systems?, page 5

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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 11:46 PM by vasaga

Originally posted by grapesofraft
I keep reading info from people who think that the world would be a better place if we got rid of all monetary systems. That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. The only reason I can think of why they would want that is because they have no money, and do not plan on getting any in the near future.

How would we buy anything that was expensive, like a house, a car, another business, etc?

How would the world function without some form of money?

Am I missing some profound sort of knowledge or something?

I suggest you watch this and then reply again:

YouTube Link

Some things are shallow and untrue, but overall, it's pretty accurate.

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 12:03 AM by grapesofraft

reply to post by vasaga

Thanks for your post. It helps prove my point that resources are not unlimited which is why we cannot handout everything everyone wants for free. I have been telling these people we dont live in magic land, but they just will not listen.

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reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 01:27 AM by reeferman

Watch This...

The Money Masters

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reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 02:59 AM by pai mei

reply to post by grapesofraft

Some of my threads, where I described a society with no money. Modern society. Without the need to renounce our knowledge and be hunter gatherers again, or the need for the "perfect man" for it to function. Just a different organization. Tribal organization - and it does not mean you have to live in a cave or dance around the fire or hit your neighbor with a stick and steal his food, or whatever other stereotype you imagine about a tribe.

Gift based economy, page 1
"Advanced civilization" - the hunter gatherers, page 1
"Work for all", page 1
For those who say "get a job, or you are useless", page 1
The Lakota way of life, page 1
Why capitalism can never work, page 1

A quote from myself

Just the basics. Food - raw, clothes and some useful items like knives and spoons. Showed you how much of the workforce works in farming 0.6%. Add more for clothes, and for manufacturing the machines and in all it would not be more than 10-15%. Including the mining part.
No more electricity, TV, streets, cars, airplanes, computers, nothing. Only farming, and those basic items, work 4 years for them, then you are free. You have all the time to build yourself a house, you will be helped by others and you will help them. people will look at each other as potential friends, no longer as competitors. Competition for what ? But even that cooperation is optional.

Storehouses will be placed everywhere - with these basic items produced. People will be able to travel anywhere and take from any storehouse on the way. Nobody will take more than he needs. What to do with it ? Trade it for what when everyone has it and there are no money ?

People want to produce modern stuff ? They are free to do so. And free to quit working anytime they want. Not like today.
And people will invent new technologies to make life easyer. In place of money people will get reputation, for what they bring. Einstein did not work for money, he would have "worked" (when you do what you like it's not work) even for no money if he had the basics for survival.
I am sure there will be plenty of land left over for peopel to farm if they want to grow their own food. Maybe in time people will invent something better even than industrial farming. But right now I say we are too many to survive without it. Fertilizers I mean.

www.orionmagazine.org...

In a 1927 interview with the magazine Nation’s Business, Secretary of Labor James J. Davis provided some numbers to illustrate a problem that the New York Times called “need saturation.” Davis noted that “the textile mills of this country can produce all the cloth needed in six months’ operation each year” and that 14 percent of the American shoe factories could produce a year’s supply of footwear . The magazine went on to suggest, “It may be that the world’s needs ultimately will be produced by three days’ work a week.”

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reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 03:33 AM by ctjctjctj

reply to post by grapesofraft

Firstly, if you want m, just print like governments do.

Secondly, do you know there are technologies at least 50 years more advanced than what you have experienced?

Have you been to a fully automated seed garden and watched how foods are freely auto-produced? You haven't.

Have you been inside a self-sustained nuclear shelter with every basic thing freely produced at a voice command? You haven't.

Let me give you one example.
Watch a video here.
This technology has been used by the military since 30 years ago.
www.wired.com...

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 04:50 AM by dawnstar

we just had quite a bit of money just vanish into thin air in the past year...
it was money that never really existed except as bits and bites in a computer system, or on some company's balance sheet.
at least the chickens and cows are real, you can see them, and touch them!!

at this point, they might as well get rid of the money and just go with the bits and bites, that way, our supply of money would only be limited to the amount of storage space in some super computers somewhere....

ya, there were and are societies that did without money....they still had people working for people though. we work for people to get money......what did the people in these societies work for?? can any one guess that those workers were called??

slaves maybe???

do you want to work for someone to recieve money which you can then turn around and buy what YOU want and need? or would you rather work for someone in exchange for what they think you should have?

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 05:54 AM by ::.mika.::

the most stupid title ever (didn't read more than that title sorry for the other posters that got as much surprised by so much ignorance as i did)

do you think the world has been waiting for the fed bank & the IMF to exist to start making international exchanges ?

fyi, people of the world always did ! since millenia and millenia ! with or without any diktat monetary system and that's because everyone has/produce resources that the other don't so there is always a way to come up with a good deal to the advantage of both "exchangers"

astonishing american people... they really think the world would collapse without their federal state...

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reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 06:39 AM by Xtinguish

reply to post by vasaga

It's the governments job to take care of us? Sorry if I disagree, I don't trust any government to tie my shoes. I'll take care of myself thank you.

As I agree we are raping the planet and pretty much poisoning one another, I don't think the answer lies within government. Look at global warming, what is governments answer to that? Tax! A global tax! I suppose the Earth only likes pollution you pay for.

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:13 AM by thefreepatriot

you mean fake fiat paper based systems of control???? so basically you are advocating that countries(most of them) continue printing monopoly money... and you think this is neccesary and any person against such a system is "uneducated" I don't think you fully understand the fractional ponzi scheme here in the U.S enough.... since you seem to be so "educated" please elaborate on how the fractional reserve system works... and tell me if this is still a sane \educated idea... and not insanity

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:13 AM by grapesofraft

reply to post by pai mei

Well I have read your threads in the past, and mama always said if you cant say something nice dont say nothing at all, plus I dont want to loose any points.

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:15 AM by grapesofraft

reply to post by dawnstar

Thanks for understanding the downfall to what a lot of the other posters are proposing. A star for you.

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:16 AM by grapesofraft

reply to post by ::.mika.::

It is not about the American monetary system, it is about the existance and need for SOME monetary system to make trade practical and efficient.

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:18 AM by grapesofraft

reply to post by Xtinguish

Unfortunately I do think that many think governments job is to take care of us and provide for us. They do not realize that it is not economically viable for a government to become everyones parents.

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:19 AM by grapesofraft

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One this thread is not about whose money system we use, just about the need for A monetary system to facilitate efficient trading. So there is no need to get into the pros and cons of the fed and its practices.

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:21 AM by thefreepatriot

reply to post by grapesofraft

actually there are unlimited energy resources.... just look above.. then look below for geothermal... its all around us... using oil or other limited resources is a choice because in fact those resources are LIMITED... which make then more valuable... we have the technology right now to run the world off water...(hydrogen from water) we have the technology to run the world off the sun... we have the technology to run the world on geothermal.... the problem is that there isnt money to be made because it is UNLIMITED. and you cant make much money on unlimited resources... this is why we have to get off the fiat based currencies.. its really a big joke... you work your arse off paper money that isnt even backed by anything physical\real exept for debt.. only to buy more things that really arent worth anything... the elite have given the peasants "money" so that they can be entertained working for things that do not exist... meanwhile the elite stockpile on gold\silver, realestate etc... and we keep working to pick cotton(paper money is made from cotton not trees) do you NOT SEE AN IRONY THERE??? we are slaves ladies and gentleman... slaves made to think that we are free... but in reality we are still picking cotton like slaves from the past...

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:24 AM by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by munkey66
indidionous tribes from all around the world seemed to cope fine with no money, the entire village shared all recources as well as materials and tools.

I think the uneducated ones cannot see a way of doing it

So true!

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:25 AM by thefreepatriot

reply to post by grapesofraft

THe fed is the biggest money system in the world...... and the thread is stating that we need money systems in this world... SO NO the fed and its practices are completely relevant to the subject at hand.. I am guessing you don't want to make money systems look like the SCAMS they are.... prob why you are avoiding the subject...

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reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:28 AM by thefreepatriot

YouTube Link

Since the op and some members that are pro fiat currency don't wish to discuss the fractional reserve system, I will post this video eloquently describing and exposing the ponzi scam that it is. ENJOY

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reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:39 AM by Myrmecobius

Ok chaps, apologies if someone's made this point already.
Money is a token which represents a quantity of resources (land/labour/capital). It allows the entity possessing it to decide to what use those resources are put. The idea behind it is that money accumulates in the hands of those who make sensible judgements about the use of resources. The more sensible decisions one makes, the richer one gets; and vice-versa. So, the more sensible you are the bigger the decisons you get to make.
Now, what happens when all the most sensible decisions are made by AI?

reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 09:42 AM by grapesofraft

reply to post by thefreepatriot

I agree that money backed by nothing has no value other than the value people are willing to give it. Think of money like a stock, it just represents value in a company that can be traded for something else. It is necessary, unless you plan on paying for your house with 5000 head of cattle.

Last time I checked buying real estate, gold, silver, and investing were not limited to the elite. Anyone can save and/or borrow money and do the same thing.

You may be able to produce great amounts of energy at a low cost, but that still doesnt mean we have unlimited resources in every area.