The Dial of Ahaz: An ancient time machine?, page 1
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Topic started on 22-6-2009 @ 04:50 PM by jackflap
Alright I had this on my mind for a while. I read the book of Kings one and two quite a few times. I always remembered the story of God making a sun dial go back ten degrees and wondered if it was proof of time travel.

My curiosity was peeked when someone on another thread mentioned that there were no scriptures relating to time travel. I did a bunch of searches on this and only found a few very bizarre sites and some that I would have to pay for to read. So here is the story in a nutshell.

2 Kings 20:1 1 In those days was Hezeki'ah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live.

So the king was sick and was told he would die. He prayed to God for some more time and God granted it to him. As a sign God said He would move the shadow on the sun dial back ten degrees because everyone knows that it is impossible.

2 Kings 20:8-11 8 And Hezeki'ah said unto Isaiah, What shall be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up into the house of the LORD the third day? 9 And Isaiah said, This sign shalt thou have of the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that he hath spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten degrees, or go back ten degrees? 10 And Hezeki'ah answered, It is a light thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees: nay, but let the shadow return backward ten degrees. 11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

Now after this the King had been given fifteen years. Does anyone know anything about sun dials? Would the amount of ten degrees actually be fifteen years? Or was the amount of degrees insignificant to the time he was given?


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 06:22 PM by Pauligirl
There are a lot of types of sundials
en.wikipedia.org...


The most commonly observed sundials are those in which the shadow-casting style is fixed in position and aligned with the Earth's rotational axis.........On any given day, the Sun appears to rotate uniformly about this axis, at about 15° per hour, making a full circuit (360°) in 24 hours. A linear gnomon aligned with this axis will cast a sheet of shadow (a half-plane) that, falling opposite to the Sun


I don’t see any time travel here, and not being a bible believer, I think the writer just used the sundial as a symbol.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 07:16 PM by In nothing we trust
Originally posted by jackflap

My curiosity was peeked when someone on another thread mentioned that there were no scriptures relating to time travel.


I would like to throw this into the mix. The speed of light is in both the Bible and the Quran.


... the theory of relativity states that as the velocity of an object nears the speed of light, time slows down.

science.howstuffworks.com...


Speed = Distance / Time

Speed of light = 1 day / 1,000 years

The video details the math.




2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

bibleresources.bible.com... 3=0&version4=0&version5=0&Submit.x=66&Submit.y=6



032.005
YUSUFALI: He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning.
PICKTHAL: He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon.
SHAKIR: He regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth; then shall it ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.

Translations of Qur'an, Surah 32:5
www.usc.edu...


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[edit on 22-6-2009 by In nothing we trust]


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 10:41 PM by jackflap
reply to post by In nothing we trust



I did a little more research into this. It seems as though Ahaz was king before his son Hezeki'ah took over. Ahaz was not right with God.

2 Chronicles 28:1-4 1 Ahaz was twenty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem: but he did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD, like David his father: 2 for he walked in the ways of the kings of Israel, and made also molten images for Ba'alim. 3 Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire, after the abominations of the heathen whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel. 4 He sacrificed also and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.

He was into worshiping other gods. Which are not gods. So God let foreign invaders besiege Jerusalem. Ahaz asked for help from Assyria. Where, when the battles subsided, he visited. There he saw an alter that he had to have.

2 Kings 16:10-12 10 And king Ahaz went to Damascus to meet Tig'lath–pile'ser king of Assyria, and saw an altar that was at Damascus: and king Ahaz sent to Uri'jah the priest the fashion of the altar, and the pattern of it, according to all the workmanship thereof. 11And Uri'jah the priest built an altar according to all that king Ahaz had sent from Damascus: so Uri'jah the priest made it against king Ahaz came from Damascus. 12And when the king was come from Damascus, the king saw the altar: and the king approached to the altar, and offered thereon.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the dial. It may. I need to read into this more.
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