Michelle Obama:You must serve the government, not vice verca., page 6

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As far as I see, you are wrong. My life has been undisrupted by the economy. I am middle class. Neither rich nor poor. You know why? Because I know that mortgages and debt are bad, and to not spend more than I have. The ignorance of some does not justify the theft of riches from all people whoa re wealthy. Find the frauds and arrest them. Leave the rest of the wealthy alone.

How about we keep it simple?

If you have 10 children in front of you and a basket with 10 apples in your hands,
what is the most logical, ethical and natural thing to do?

Sure, you have worked hard for your current luxury, and you played it smart.
Good for you, I have zero interest in your possesions, as should anyone.

But what about the 10 million children that die from simple curable diseases, each year, due to lack of the most basic healthcare?

While some guy walks around with 11 billion to his name, garnered through the hard work of speculation?

11 billion! That's 11 thousand millions!

I think digging ditches in an Arizona summer is hard work, and I did it for less than 10 bucks an hour. I'd have to work full-time for a couple hundred thousand years to make that 11 billion.

You really think he deserves that much?
I think it's criminal.
And I think it's well overdue that people stop buying the "hard earned" bs...

The super-rich make their money from speculation or from simply having money, being born rich. Here's a cool docu on them:

reply to post by Psynarchist

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Ethical and morals have no place in what government has a right to do. Unless a person actively tricks another into forking over their money for a lie (Like telling them they can afford a house when you no they can't), then you have no right to take any money from them. It is a person's right to keep their money. If I had apples, I'd give them all to the kids. But if I had a lot of houses, I'd keep them all and sell them when the market is good.

Apples and houses are different things.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by aorAki

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But what right do you have to tell others to help others?

That's basically a horrible form of telling people to do what you want, against their opinions. This is the opposite of a free society. If you don't want them to have money, don't buy from them. But you have no right to take money from those who know how to make it just because you think they are bad people. There's no rule that says you have to give to the poor except for the ones in holy books. And if you want to enforce what they say, I and many others will stand against your theocracy. And even if you do it on secular basis, there's no difference. Weather God or man commands it, you cannot enforce the view points of one onto the other.

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Yes, i understand what you are saying there, but unfortunately we do not live in a 'free' society. We may think that we do.
My point was that they are focusing on the wrong people if they want to engender good community relations etc because as long as people see corporations posting big profits but not really enabling communities other than through employment which is essentially a form or slavery.."you are with us or you are against us).
Yes, corporations have a right to make money. I don't think they have a right to make money hand over fist at the expense of people's lives, paying low wages, engaging in unethical treatment, raping foreign resources (including labour) and essentially being unnaccountable.

My beef, I guess, is with the inequity.

Free market be damned when it LOWERS the overall quality of life to feather the nests of the few.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Psynarchist

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you have no right to take any money from them.

Exactly. Now take that a step further and nobody should be able to sit on 11 billion dollars while children die from simple, preventable, curable colds.
10 million a year! And that's not even counting the ones who starve to death...

Or do you think a child should be able to make mends with whatever he/she is born with, and we are all born with equal resources and opportunities?

reply to post by aorAki

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That's why government exists. but merging an already corporate government with the civilian willing force is very very bad. Working for the government, working for a business, and working for the aid of all should be separated, not equal.

reply to post by SourGrapes

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No worries "Sour", I totally understand how this crap can be distracting. I don't know how old your children are but I'll share something with you as a example of how I had decided to handle mine back when the H1N1 (A) first broke in Mexico, before it was reported here in the US. Both of my boy's use to say "oh Man" dad's back on ATS again or listening to his radio talk shows again lol so I know the feeling...

I put in my DVD player the Documentary "End Game" one day when they came home from school, I then had the news on and said that it was a assignment for me to do for work. I then asked them to help me understand how the stuff on the DVD that was made in 2007 was happening today. A week later I put in the DVD "The Obama Deception" and played it off the same way and then went to Youtube to find clips of kids being harrassed by cops for riding their skateboards, cops abusing their powers with other people (mostly kids) and then I asked them more questions about how they felt about it. It honestly did create a discusion.

Now they come to me at least once a week and ask me if somebody we know is "Awake" or if they see or hear something at school that they know know doesn't seem right they ask me if that is part of the change and we discuss it.

What I found interesting today, my youngest son wanted to go to his friends house, I was listening in on his call, he asked if his friends mom or dad would be there and then asked me for a ride. My first thought was that maybe he was scared by what I had shared with him but then he said better safe then sorry lol... I thought that was cool.

To answer your question about the mischief arrest only going to be happening here? I honestly don't know because I didn't expect it here! But my honest opinion is if it is happening here to gain higher % of registration for "United We Serve" then it will be nationwide. The Gov goal is to have a 70%-80% before they announce 9/11/2009 the official day of service this Sept.

reply to post by Rams59lb

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They sometimes do try these things locally before they go nationally.

One thing I hate is that in New York they've been taking major road ways in the boroughs that need to be 2 lane or they back up, and they've been slamming on bike lanes over one of the 2 lanes. Why would you do that? Oh right, because it's to encourage more green movements? Yea that's what they say. But you know what I see? More cops ticketing people because they use the bike lane. There's this place where the subway passes between 2 double lane one ways, each going opposite ways. When you reach a part where a bridge allows a connection between the 2 one ways, the bike lanes stop and become dotted lanes. but if you pass through the sold bike lane, lets say to try and make a turn from a larger vehicle, it's illegal to pass over the solid lane, even if the car is only a foot onto the lane. No exceptions, cops spring out of the side roads they park in and issue a ticket.

This is another example. Sure it's good to be green, but the city is just using it as an excuse to back up traffic, aggravate people, and make them more likely to do actions that lead to a ticket. What is disguised as a good thing, is really just a way to expand control over your life and make you angry more. Emotional control, decision control, and monetary control, all with one stone. Clap clap clap NY city.

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