Michelle Obama:You must serve the government, not vice verca., page 5

At about 3:30 of the second video I gave, there is a video interview in which Emmanuel Rahm says IT WILL BE REQUIRED OF EVERYBODY to do some sort of COmmunity service, and then there is the clip about President Obama stating that we need a civilian force as well equiped, as well trained, as well organized as the military.

BTW, BOY SCOUTS are being trained in counter-terrorism... This is CHILDREN being trained to follow the orders of President Obama.



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IMPERIAL, Calif. — Ten minutes into arrant mayhem in this town near the Mexican border, and the gunman, a disgruntled Iraq war veteran, has already taken out two people, one slumped in his desk, the other covered in blood on the floor.

The responding officers — eight teenage boys and girls, the youngest 14 — face tripwire, a thin cloud of poisonous gas and loud shots — BAM! BAM! — fired from behind a flimsy wall. They move quickly, pellet guns drawn and masks affixed.

“United States Border Patrol! Put your hands up!” screams one in a voice cracking with adolescent determination as the suspect is subdued.

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When were BOY SCOUTS ever being trained as a MILITARY FORCE?...



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I mentioned earlier in this thread that this is the soft start to enacting the GIVE Act that so hastily worked its way through congress. They pushed for a Summer start and this makes it official. This is just the calm request before the storm of Obama's social reengineering fantasy.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by jibeho

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Don't you mean Socialist Dictatorial fantasy? Which his wife seems to share, not to mention the entire administration?

BTW, she doesn't say it in this interview in such detail, but knowing the other comments they have made we should know by now what they really mean, instead of falling for the euphemisms which Michelle was reading to make it look like "this is for the greater good"...

Oh, and Human Rights?... What human rights? Clinton stated that no Human Right is more important than the made up finantial crisis, or any other crisis...so there go our Human Rights too...




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If i remember correctly that bill you gave is the one Democrats are trying to pass, and in which they want children starting from primary school to do mandatory Community Service.

I truly wish I could ever become as great, generous and loving as you Michelle, but for now I'm gonna have to do with Top Ramen and paying my rent with my credit card that's almost maxed out. Yeah, for many of us on minimum wage, there's not much time left at the end of the day, and hardly any extra money left at the end of the month.

However, I know of some places that have waaay to much money left over at the end of every month; here's a list of corporations who make billions of dollars of profit each year...

They can give you money, resources, food, products, they have everything we'd need to build community centers, homeless shelters, playgrounds, hospitals, schools,...

We could even educate people to become community oriented teachers, or councellors! We could create community centers where teenagers can learn computer skills, audio engineering, motion capture, 3d modelling, etc etc.
We could build community garages where kids can learn to become mechanics, and where the less fortunate can get good deals on car servicing! If the kids weren't so bored and without tools or resources, they'd probably cause less trouble!

We could build hospitals for basic free community healthcare, we could throw Ribs-n-Blues festivals in the streets, we could keep people busy, entertained, educated, informed and give them all a sense of belonging to a greater good.

Then, we could use the left over funds to create workshops that can train children to grow their own organic produce, like you do in the white house garden. We could teach them that by becoming self-reliant, and by spending your money and energy in the local community, we can cut back on excessive transportation, pollution and dependence.

Maybe we could use the money you'll get from Exxon Mobile to create training programs that teach people how to make buildings eco friendly and self-reliant by implementing solar panels, windmills etc etc. Just the switch from relying on Big Oil companies to self-reliant 'green' energy will create lots of work, and spread the wealth around more equally. This will also combat Global Warming, and I'm sure Al Gore would gladly trade his mansion for something a bit smaller and appropriate in order to facilitate more funds.

Yeah, come to think of it, Michelle, you go ahead and get the funds, the resources, the food and the products, and let me know what you'll be sending this way.

But PLEASE, don't come back to us empty handed;
we are broke and starving, and we have NOTHING to offer our fellow citizens but boredom and debt.

Take your Mother Theresa sob story to the Fortunate, and oh before I forget, when you try to appeal to our sense of duty and selfless service, you may not want to wear $540 French designer sneakers...

reply to post by deadbang

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deadbang, JFK's speech is in reference to serving the Country, not the Government. Totally different beasts...

What Michelle is trying to do, is get the Cows to clean their own stalls so the owners don't have to do it. Let's just call it "Clean the Dung day!" For every cow that does his part, he will get a little bit of tasty pellets in his feed for the day.

Well there's way to many comments, so let me re say what I've been saying in a way to answer most of you.

People organize spontaneously when needed to help each other and fix things. Do not say they do not, because how the hell do websites like youtube, YTMND, ATS, etc etc exist? The fact remains that a need is filled by people who want to fill it. There's always social cleavages in every society and people will always be there trying to close them.

So when the federal government moves into this already spontaneous system, the only logical and possible reason is for power. Goverment does not fix what isn't broken unless it sees a nice power play there.

Rams59lb put it the best way. It opens the opportunity to force kids and young people into work camps. And that alone is basically a kind of big brother method in and of itself. Who's a judge going to trust more, cop or kid? If there are cops like those out in the areas that were told "do not tread on me" bumper stickers are terrorist slogans, then what will stop a cop from putting anyone he doesn't like into community service?

This simply opens up too many opportunities for fraudulent cases and situation that will feed the beginning of a youth army. People organize, and you damn well better believe that they will organize to root out who they don't like and claim they should be in work camps. People organized in WW2 and did it to the japs. Americans still don't view Islam very well. What will stop organizers from rooting them out and claiming ll kinds of things against them?

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...

This simply puts a nice highway to problems in the road of the nation that anyone can traverse into.

It's best to leave the government out of these situation. The civil world and the federal world should be separated in such a way that we can affect them, but they cannot affect or work into us.


The fact remains this is bad. It is good to organize for the aid of your community, but it is bad to organize under the government for this. You can call me lazy all you want, but I have a right not to help my neighbor. Of course, I would anyway, but others would not. I volunteer to help special needs kids and give money to the poor. I do NOT want the government saying I HAVE to do these things. And this is a step in that direction. Because what the government is basically saying between the lines is they want the people organized so that an organized people will yell at you to do "the right thing". Sorry, I'm tired of preachers on the ferries and subways telling me this already. I don't want organized mobs telling me this.

Always remember that the mob is a powerful force. But spontaneous organization of them is self serving. Government organized mobs = fascism.

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reply to post by GradyPhilpott

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Originally posted by PieKeeper
Wow, you guys have really overlooked this. The message is that we should help each other out, instead of sitting on our asses and expecting things to happen. If there is something we want or need done, we have to work to achieve it. There is nothing wrong with volunteering our time to help our communities and our neighbors.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
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I think that it is more accurate to say that the government is facilitating community service.

There is nothing wrong with this.

The only purpose is to bring people together who have similar interests and to help people who wish to realize their own initiatives.

I see no reason whatsoever to malign this effort.

I think the question is whether we are being asked to serve our communities or serve our Government. I believe that question is clearly answered in the name of the website that was mentioned several times in the video Serve.Gov

Paradigm shifts are created in subtle ways. The shift being created here is that serving your community and serving your Government are one in the same.

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reply to post by harvib

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That's a very good way of saying what I'm putting this as. The government is merging helping each other as being the same as helping the government. That's the problem here. That's how you make a perfect citizen to a government. You get them to think everything they do is to help the government.


You know, just as the kids of the USSR thought that when they helped the government they helped socialism. When in fact the government was everything but socialism and they were really just acting in a way to self preserve their government.

reply to post by Gargamel

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Wasn't it the US that said no to a war with Iran when Israel recommended it?

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reply to post by Gorman91

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The US government has to keep some sort of credibility. If they went to war with Iran it would be all to clear where the real power is.

reply to post by Gargamel

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I just don't see America invading. It ends the justification of a presence. If Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are all with us and allied, why would we still be there? Not only that, but the migration of terrorists and supporters of these people to China, Russia, and other places would cause their influence to grow in the region.

Is the US really willing to risk 2 other super powers popping in and all their work being at risk?

Originally posted by Psynarchist
for many of us on minimum wage, there's not much time left at the end of the day, and hardly any extra money left at the end of the month.

However, I know of some places that have waaay to much money left over at the end of every month; here's a list of corporations who make billions of dollars of profit each year...

They can give you money, resources, food, products, they have everything we'd need to build community centers, homeless shelters, playgrounds, hospitals, schools,...

While, as I have said previously, that I like the idea of this as a way of building community, I think you make excellent points and I will change my tune to support you.
I am sick of seeing the big boys get huge bonuses, post huge profit margins and appear to be made of teflon. They have no community interest at heart which is obvious when one looks at how many people are struggling and these guys just carry on taking everyone's money.

Until these guys come to the party- and in a big way- I think you are entirely justified in your stance.

Yes, a leopard can change its spots.

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But what right do you have to tell others to help others?

That's basically a horrible form of telling people to do what you want, against their opinions. This is the opposite of a free society. If you don't want them to have money, don't buy from them. But you have no right to take money from those who know how to make it just because you think they are bad people. There's no rule that says you have to give to the poor except for the ones in holy books. And if you want to enforce what they say, I and many others will stand against your theocracy. And even if you do it on secular basis, there's no difference. Weather God or man commands it, you cannot enforce the view points of one onto the other.

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reply to post by Rams59lb

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Okay, now I get it. I totally jumped the gun and pictured this Judge stating all of this in a pompous way, not in an apparent concern for what he's about to be forced to do. So, he said it in a 'just so you know' way and not in a threatening way?

Well, good, this means that even the judges are alarmed over this; especially if this judge put his career on the line to warn the public of what's to come.

Do you know if this is statewide, or is it local? My mother lives up north, and her place was going to be my bug-out pad. Not in the 'Oh nooo, nuclear fall-out' bug-out, but in the "damn, my city just got way to socialist for me...I can't take it anymore" bug-out.

I'm near Chicago, after all. And I'm not even close to a midwest girl, I don't know a soul here. My only local friend was Shots, who died last year. I actually met him from here at ATS before I moved here. He told me where to find a home and where to send my kids to school. I really owe him so much.

Okay, I'm so off on a OT rant. Sorry. (I'll do anything to avoid writing this damn paper that was due last week. I'm such a procrastinator and this stuff just peaves me. What's the use of even finishing my degree if I'm just going to be shining shoes for my master? arggh)

Back OT, I wonder how widespread this youth services announcement is? I've got my kids in summer camp and other activities, but dang. I'd better not let them ride bikes to the park or run over to the video game section, while I finish shopping. They may be snatched up and thrown into Kiddie volunteer civil servant camp.

Before we know it, the kids will be calling out all the 'outside the line of people's law and loyalty' things they witness us doing.

"Uh oh, Mommy was on the ATS board again. I even wrote down all the times she visited the site, just like you told us to".

BTW, anybody else noticing all the different references in "serve community, blah blah, from June 22 to [ah can't remember - Oct. something?]?

I'm seeing it everywhere. On tv commercials, in the paper...the creepiest so far was this business that I'm currently using as the subject of one of my papers (due last week). I'm analyzing their business plan, website, marketing, etc., so I've been on their website just about daily for the past couple of weeks. I typed in their url, Sunday, and didn't see the familiar homepage (just glanced). Suspecting I just typed it wrong, I entered it again without much thought. That is, until the same page came up again. The big thing that stood out and caught me off guard (mind you, I'm trying to get focused and only think about that project), right there in center of the page....a big box for readyserv.org with a big write up on their call to the community to volunteer...and enter your zip code for opportunities in your area.

WTF? How the heck am I supposed to EVER get this paper finished? Obama, you are seriously way too in my shiznnit!

I'm do worked up over this, I'm seriously having a MAJOR hard time focusing on the project with a non-subjective eye. This sucks, considering how late my paper already is, I so cannot go back and change my organization. I guess I'm just gonna have to grit my teeth and pretend I never saw that link and that 'serve your masters' quote all big in size 24. I hope it's not on every page heading. I'll have an anxiety attack.

reply to post by aorAki

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And we should ALWAYS allow leopards to change their spots!!!

I doubt any of us who aren't thrilled with her appeal are not so out of laziness or egotism, but rather out of a feeling of already being wage slaves to the rich masters...

How can there be so much poverty, so many empty boarded up family homes/neighborhoods, so many tent cities, so many homeless, ill, hungry -
AND YET AT THE SAME TIME - monstrous profits for a few?

In other words, we are not crazy heartless bastards,
we just don't see why it is the masses who have to do more work,
when there is so much excess so close by, and so despicably greedily hoarded by a few who've done nothing to deserve that kind of excess in light of the boundless poverty all around.

Another thought I have on these mass appeals to our sense of responsibility and service/sharing is perhaps there may be some truth to a "Global Awakening" among humanity at large, especially since the dawn of the internet.

Maybe people/children are generally becoming more aware of our predicament and so TPTB are trying hard to hijack that spirit and safely focus it on something that they control and that benefits them, like Global Warming.

They're just trying to prevent the inevitable for a little longer, which in my opinion is the mass realization that we no longer need the profiteers to own the land/factories/homes or for them to take all excess for themselves...

I think humanity is ready to start transforming their communities into more (eco)logical, sustainable, ethical, local and fair ones, and the elitists are afraid of that.
This is imo their way of taking control of the process to ensure it unfolds where and how they want to, but I doubt they can prevent it from happening.

The truth needs no maintenance and is easily available for all these days,
so as long as we have the internet as is, I'm optimistic.

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