Michelle Obama:You must serve the government, not vice verca., page 3
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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 06:04 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by Gorman91


I think that it is more accurate to say that the government is facilitating community service.

There is nothing wrong with this.

The only purpose is to bring people together who have similar interests and to help people who wish to realize their own initiatives.

I see no reason whatsoever to malign this effort.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 06:35 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by GradyPhilpott


Why would a government want their supporters to be closer together, organized, and working to propagate their beliefs and ways stronger together? Especially AFTER an election.

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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 07:19 PM by grapesofraft
reply to post by Gorman91


I dont really think the government is there to SERVE me. I think they were meant to be there just to create a common alliance to defend and protect each other.

They were never meant to feed us or give us healthcare or any of that kind of stuff.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 07:33 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by grapesofraft


Well that isn't serving. That's providing a safety web, of sorts. When we talk of serve, we talk of the meaning as defined in the 1700s. To protect us from outside influences that cause destruction and provide a kind of world within a world for the American people to exist in freedom in. This is what I call a "shell policy. The government in our shell. We will eat up whatever is delicious from the outside (immigrants), but we will digest them to our needs (melting pot), taking only the best of what we eat.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 08:16 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by disgustedbyhumanity
reply to post by PieKeeper


Again, yes. But why would the government want to reach out and organize these people under their watch, on their own website. Why not just say it;s good to do and end it at that? The fact that they opening up a government website and encouraged organization under the federal government's watch shows they simply want to expand their power over these people.

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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 09:12 PM by aorAki
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by aorAki


Because telling people to work purely on their good will by order of the government is communism. Doing it on your free will is good and kind, but once the government says you have to do it FOR THEM, it is communism.
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Oooooo, evil Communism,...sure is a lot worse than that god-given right: Capitalism 0.o

I never saw anywhere in that clip mention of this being compulsory. It's just a good suggestion to try and create a bit more community.

But I get it, you've worked hard all your life for what you have and you don't want to share, even if it is for a good cause and for your fellow 'Americans'.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 09:27 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by aorAki


No. I volunteer. What I'm saying is that the government is creeping into areas it's never been in before. The only reason they would create a website for organizing this is for power. Th government does not pay for something like servers purely on the good will to promote good morals. It is a simple rule, government exists to expand itself, and people exist to stop it. Communism is the perfect system. it's basically Christianity without a God. However, it is against human nature.

Whatever the government creeps into, it inevitable takes control of. I do NOT want the government in control of volunteer services other than the army and similar things.


obama wants a civilian army force under his control. How else to begin this other than through looking like doing something good. At least Bush was too dumb to realize this.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 09:55 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by Gorman91


I can only conclude that not only have you misinterpreted the intent of Mrs. Obama's message, but also that you lack a basic understanding of the concept of volunteerism.

As I stated, this is a concept as old as our Republic and extends into antiquity.

That the government would encourage such action and go even further to facilitate such is exactly the function that government should have.

I'm sorry that this is lost on you and so many of our members.

I would note also that the vast majority of the staff of ATS are volunteers who do so to benefit this community of internet users.

You voluntarily provide content for this community.

ATS is a hotbed of community volunteerism.

The main reason the government now has a website promoting volunteerism is because the internet is now almost universally available, something that was not true when GHW Bush initiated his "Thousand Points of Light" campaign.

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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 10:47 PM by aorAki
reply to post by pauldamo


More so than you I would wager.

I really can't understand why people are so against this when it can have positive benefits such as building safer and closer communities.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 11:10 PM by Johnmike
reply to post by Gorman91


I waited for her to tell me that I was to serve the government.


And waited.

And waited.


And it never came.


You're a political troll. Why the hell did you waste our time with this thread? What are you, twelve?

And people say the IQ of this forum isn't falling...
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