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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Grayelf2009
Once you bring guns into the picture all bets are off, and we start at anarchy again.
It's not like all of the things we hope for magically becomes real, we would have simply thrown off the government.
Then comes the power vacuum. Rapes, murders, and general death and destruction.
Even in the French Revolution there were assassinations right and left after that for quite some time... The guillotine didn't stop being used on the aristocracy.. it was leveraged on many people who rose to power after as well.
This is why, we use ballots as opposed to bullets. Yes it takes money, primarily to become known, and to combat the constant disinformation from the opposition, but keep in mind that Obama raised a TON of money from the individuals who supported him. I gave for the first time ever, and all of my family did as well... so money is there, if people believe in what you are campaigning for...
I'd rather it take money to get elected in a peaceful manner than to have a crazy power vacuum with anarchy in the streets.
In George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four the government attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also the thoughts of its subjects, labeling disapproved thoughts with the term thoughtcrime or, in Newspeak, "crimethink". In the book, Winston Smith, the main character, writes in his diary: "Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death."
The Thought Police (thinkpol in Newspeak) are the secret police of the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four whose job it is to uncover and punish thoughtcrime. The Thought Police use psychology and omnipresent surveillance to find and eliminate members of society who are capable of the mere thought of challenging ruling authority.
Freedom of thought (also called freedom of conscience and freedom of ideas) is the freedom of an individual to hold or consider a fact, viewpoint, or thought, independent of others' viewpoints. It is closely related to, yet distinct from, the concept of freedom of expression.
Originally posted by Jakes51
Did any of you guys read my post because I think it is one of the pieces to the puzzle here. This is clearly a First Amendment case and that the Supreme Court ruling mentioned in my post if applied to this case will get Turner off the hook.
I am in no way condoning his violent spiteful rhetoric but he may be protected by the First Amendment in this particular instance. So what do you guys think? Oh yeah, let me play devils advocate here; what do we do when the electoral process breaks down and we can no longer redress our grievances in that fashion?
If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.
Originally posted by DataWraith
Try to get as many people together in a peaceful manner , and just overrun them with the people, we should be better than them and NOT have to resort to violence to change our world.
[edit on 22/6/09 by DataWraith]
Originally posted by Monger
Hal Turner - bigot, racist, anti-Semite, known neo-nazi, all around scumbag - and now, it would seem, hero of ATS? Good God people, what has this place become.
Originally posted by nunya13
Even trying to start a protest will get you arrested for "low-level" terrorism.