Wanna know obama's agenda? read this, page 1
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 10:45 PM by genius/idoit
I can't believe no one is interested in this?



reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 10:48 PM by marg6043
reply to post by genius/idoit



We are my friend, just look at all the threads exposing him for what he is, just another puppet for those that government our nation behind the presidential seat.

Don't feel bad because people are not posting in this particular thread as we have been inundated with the Iran protest propaganda.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 01:15 AM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Scopeless



Hastobemoretolife, you phrase his plan in a way that sheds a good light on it. Are you suggesting that if the plan to dissolve into global governance fails, then plan B is to do it revolution-style?


Nope, I'm saying the only way his plan will ever be phased in is through a revolution. When Marx wrote his theory of socialism, and latter collaborated with I for get who the guys name is, to write the Communist Manifesto, they were both white papers, they have never been tried, it was new and revolutionary thinking at the time. They also left out the human factor in much of their theory, they assumed that everybody at the core is the same mentally, i.e. as long as people have enough to be comfortable then everybody would be happy, and people would stand up against wrong doing.

But even they knew that communism would not be able to come into effect without a violent revolution. Now when you look at real world examples of Marx's ideas you see that it doesn't work. You still have the haves and have-nots in socialism as is the same with Communism, the only difference between the two is the Communist countries are dictatorships, hence, why we call NK and China Communist, and Europe Semi-Socialist.

Now Cloward and Piven were both radical Marxist professors, they wanted a Marxist America, like true blue bleeding hearts, didn't want the revolution. So they came up with the Cloward-Piven Strategy. They figure through crisis after crisis after crisis a new Marxist government could rise up from the collapse of the American government and constitution.

So as you can see their thinking was flawed right from the beginning. If the government collapses in this country it will be seen as opportunity to scale the government back and restore the constitution, not replace the constitution with a Marxist World Order.

The reason for that is because they don't/didn't live in reality, and that reality is that people like their freedom and don't want to be told what to do. This country is overwhelmingly freedom oriented. Not only that but the people that want freedom have just about all the guns.

So what do you think is going to happen the day Obama gets up there and tries to tell the American people that America now answers to a World Government? Revolution. That is why Obama looks so "out of it" here lately, he sees the situation in Iran and sees that even though more democrats support him since he first entered office the independents turning on him is seeing his job approval drop. Which means there are more people against what he is trying to do than what he thought. He knows his polls numbers are going to keep dropping, 92% of democrats support him. He sees that he is grossly out numbered.

The only new structure of government America will ever have is what the founding fathers intended. After seeing his numbers in the polls drop and the situation in Iran, he is coming to the grim reality, for him at least, that he is actually living in a nightmare where the only outcome is revolution.

The whole intent and goal of all of this is to crash free-market capitalism, because they hate it. The problem is that free-market capitalism is pretty much programmed into human nature, because we all are individuals.

Edit - grammar

[edit on 22-6-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 05:11 AM by milesp

The new "voting rights" coalition combines mass voter registration drives -- typically featuring high levels of fraud -- with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of "racism" and "disenfranchisement," and "direct action" (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America's welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation's understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries.




I love how this guy put 'voter rights' in quotes, as if it's a trivial matter. The fact is that disenfranchisement and racism are real problems at the polls in certain places.

This guy is saying that ACORN is trying to gum up the voting system by registering people to vote. The system is already gummed up and it's not the fault of the people who want to vote, but rather the people who don't want them to.

BOOHOO! republicans are getting beat at the polls by liberal democrats, and it's because they're doing a better job of getting out the vote after years of a disastrous republican reign. I'd like to see evidence of this 'systematic intimidation of election officials'!

Anywhoo, one could argue that the big spending Republican years could be the implementation of their own version of a Cloward-Piven strategy to bankrupt the government, thereby justifying the privatisation of America's infrastructure which would deal a death blow to world socialism once and for all!

[edit on 22-6-2009 by milesp]



reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 08:00 AM by genius/idoit
reply to post by Kaytagg





He's not going to socialize the country -- that's absolutely delusional.
I think you must be delusional he already has

so⋅cial⋅ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. 2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory. 3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
from dictionary . com


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 08:36 AM by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by FlyersFan



Yep. And look at the last election. The populous was very stupid.
Either that or drunk on koolaid.


Most were drunk off the kool-aid. Lots of people are waking up and seeing him for what he is now. Also you have to remember there were more young people and black people that came out to vote this election than any other one. There were a lot of religious voters that didn't vote. There weren't that many more people that voted compared to previous presidential elections.

It's about what I heard Carter's election was like, bunch of young people came out to vote and after 4 years said young people didn't vote for a long time because of how bad of a job he did.

And he would dissolve the constitution. It would go bye bye. Remember he thinks the Constitution is "fundamentally" flawed.
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