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A tribute to Neda and the sheer bravery & spirit of all Iranian women

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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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I'm not complaining. I expressed my sympathies. I am allowed my opinion and I expressed that just as you and the OP did yours. I am entitiled to that, as I did not derail your thread. I am just on the "this is blatent propaganda" side of the house, but I maintain that any death, especially one as brutal, and in such a land and climate of injustice as Iran is very sad, and does call for the world's attention. I just failed to see what beauty had to do with suffering. I won't apologize for my opinion on that front.




posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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I just saw the video of Neda's murder not too long ago. For the rest of my life, I hope I never have to bear witness to something as brutal as that. Throughout the video, I felt as if I was in Hell. When I stood up, I felt like collapsing. I could not breathe. My legs were numb. I had to grit my teeth just to get myself to walk.

All I know is that there is a special place in Hell for whoever murdered Neda. She was killed to prove a point. The only point they proved is that an illegitimate, evil regime exists in Iran.

When that anger goes away, I will speak the words on Burt Bacharach and say that what the world needs now is love, sweet love.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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I want to echo what you said.

From this point forward, I do not ever want to hear a single word about what a terrible, evil country the United States is. In this country, our soldiers and law enforcement officers do not murder innocents using methods and with an intent of proving a point. That's what this murderer was trying to do. Neda's biggest crime was that she got out of a car because the air conditioning wasn't working. The sniper aimed for her heart and he wanted to make sure everyone saw her dye a slow, brutal death.

For the rest of my life, I hope that nothing will ever rip my soul apart the way looking in Neda's eyes did. It is something I cannot live with, yet I cannot live without it.

I have no patience for people who continuously malign the U.S. for our mistakes and misadventures. No amount of "American evil" will ever come close to matching the pure evil of what was done to this woman.

Shame on you all.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by sweatmonicaIdo]



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Seasick
I just failed to see what beauty had to do with suffering. I won't apologize for my opinion on that front.


You're right, you are entitled to express your opinion. I just fail to see where anybody on here has tied beauty to suffering in any way, or any statement that eludes to "ugly" people suffering less. It's not my thread to derail, and I agree with you that it is being used for political means by some, but her death was not propaganda. No matter what she looked like in life, the video did not show that, it showed her death, and she looked like anybody else would look after being shot in the heart by an AK. To say that if she was unattractive, our reactions would be different is just wrong, IMO.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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Neda Soltan's family 'forced out of home' by Iranian authoritiesParents of young woman shot dead near protests are banned from mourning and funeral is cancelled, neighbours say


www.guardian.co.uk...


Neighbours said that her family no longer lives in the four-floor apartment building on Meshkini Street, in eastern Tehran, having been forced to move since she was killed. The police did not hand the body back to her family, her funeral was cancelled, she was buried without letting her family know and the government banned mourning ceremonies at mosques, the neighbours said.

"We just know that they [the family] were forced to leave their flat," a neighbour said. The Guardian was unable to contact the family directly to confirm if they had been forced to leave.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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For the rest of my life, I hope that nothing will ever rip my soul apart the way looking in Neda's eyes did. It is something I cannot live with, yet I cannot live without it.


I know what you mean, I have been grieving for a women I never met in a country far away.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Neda Soltan's family 'forced out of home' by Iranian authoritiesParents of young woman shot dead near protests are banned from mourning and funeral is cancelled, neighbours say


www.guardian.co.uk...


Neighbours said that her family no longer lives in the four-floor apartment building on Meshkini Street, in eastern Tehran, having been forced to move since she was killed. The police did not hand the body back to her family, her funeral was cancelled, she was buried without letting her family know and the government banned mourning ceremonies at mosques, the neighbours said.

"We just know that they [the family] were forced to leave their flat," a neighbour said. The Guardian was unable to contact the family directly to confirm if they had been forced to leave.


If this information about what they are doing to her story & family is 100% correct, then the top leadership must have gone totally insane!

This only show how incredible scared of the developments they really are!

They have totally lost the control of the republic and there's a big rift both in the leadership and in the military.

Now we can only wait for the majority of the military to make their stand on the people's side (if they are in majority of course). And this change could take some time, but from there everything could go quite fast!

Many people in Iran are now outraged with the murder of Neda! even people who voted for the President! (the murder of young Neda is becoming a catalyst for change in people's minds)

Even women who are pro Ahmadinejad are brutally attacked by Basij Milita in all the chaos!

But they are too afraid to speak out during this turmoil, but it's clear that the brutal treatment of the young people by goverment forces has made many to change their minds apparently!

The Basij Militia & Hezbollah raving lunatics have gone totally mad of their power and are hitting women old & young - left & right without mercy on the streets like brainwashed insane hooligans!

But one thing is clear! the goverment has made a fool of themselves in front of their own people & the whole world, now everyone knows their real face!

No propaganda in the world can save them now! - the damage is already done!

All People of Iran & the world now understand what a Islamic fascist extremist dictatorship looks like! - the women and mothers of both sides are furious!




Brainwashed Ansar-e-Hezbollah/Basij Fascists



[edit on 24-6-2009 by Chevalerous]



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Isn't that an image of Hezbollah followers? I thought they are the only Middle Eastern organization that gives the Sieg Heil/Heil Hitler salutations (raised right arm).



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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Doesn't matter much!

Both groups are Islamo-fascists!


Most of the members of Ansar e Hezbollah are either members of the Basij militias or veterans of the Iran–Iraq War


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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I noticed a huge drop off in info coming out of Iran now. I hope those people re-organize or get more organized and continue.

I think the problem might be that they don't have a real leader for their cause.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Electro38
I noticed a huge drop off in info coming out of Iran now. I hope those people re-organize or get more organized and continue.

I think the problem might be that they don't have a real leader for their cause.


I talked with my childhood friend who had been in contact with his family in Iran the other day!

He said that after the tragic shooting of Neda & all other killings, many parents don't let their sons & daughters to leave the house to protest.

Many who lived in (now burned & trashed) and unsecure University dorms at the universities are now home with their parents again.

His female older cousin told him that many of those that were in those million marches protesting are very, tired, angry, sad, worried & scared! but prefer to lay low until Mousavi or any others from the Opposition comes out with some official statements.

Many are afraid to protest now in low numbers because the temporary drop off

The people in the Opposition are still angry, and the spirit and intentions are still there! and people hasn't changed their minds.

But People were dead beat tired from one week of protesting day and nights apparently!

At their house they had a crack-down by the Basij on the roof of their apartment building. The bastards took all satellite dishes/parabols so they only had the state propaganda channels to watch a couple of days. 3 days later most neighbours had bought new ones!


(they circle with helicopters looking for satellite dishes/parabols)


But they apparently still jam a lot of the reception, and people think it's too early to put up the new dishes (many choppers still in the air) so many people were swopping/borrowing forbidden hollywood & foreign dvd movies with eachother instead - to have something to see together with their families & friends in the evenings!


In the evening after dinner they go to the roof for fresh air and scream 'Allahu Akbar' 1 hour to their throats are sore!


Then they have tea & cookies/Pastry & sweets - watching the latest pirated Hollywood block-buster together!



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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It seems like there are two very different kinds of people in Iran, those who are really into oppression and the fascist Nazi way, and those who are educated/smart and want to live their way.

What really struck me was the way their own people could instantly beat and kill the protesters. Aren't they from the same city and towns? Could you imagine beating and killing your own neighbors because they were protesting, and because your government commanded you to do it?

Those thugs should have collectively laid down their arms and started helping their neighbors. That would have been a huge turning point. I doubt anything like that will happen.

There is something really strange in Iran that I can't fully understand.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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I see, that is sad. I can completely understand why they've been slowing down. I hope that they can reorganize in a covert/unseen way and become more effective.

If those police had taken the side of the protesters I think that would have really created a huge revolution, or at least made the revolution much stronger and faster.

I can't believe those police could do that to their neighbors, fellow citizens.

They needed someone to really organize them and help them from the inside, top guys in the gov. who wish to change things too. I'm surprised that hasn't happened. But maybe it will.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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I know, (or think) the protesters don't want any intervention or help from outside governments, but I was wondering how ordinary citizens in other countries might be able to help them.

There must be a way, maybe to send them stuff, things that they might need. Just people of the world helping their fellow humans. I wish there was a way.

*Does anyone have any ideas how that could be done?

[edit on 25-6-2009 by Electro38]



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Electro38
It seems like there are two very different kinds of people in Iran, those who are really into oppression and the fascist Nazi way, and those who are educated/smart and want to live their way.

What really struck me was the way their own people could instantly beat and kill the protesters. Aren't they from the same city and towns? Could you imagine beating and killing your own neighbors because they were protesting, and because your government commanded you to do it?

Those thugs should have collectively laid down their arms and started helping their neighbors. That would have been a huge turning point. I doubt anything like that will happen.

There is something really strange in Iran that I can't fully understand.


Many of the Basij and security forces are from rural areas and have only lived in the cities a couple of years. many are also living in the outskirts and in neighbouring towns.

For this election/protest they also came with goverment buses from other places and are now living temporary in miltary barracks.

They are many of the fanatical & brainwashed low-life thugs we see in the videos.

The military revolutionary guards & ordinary police and other higher up security personnel are much more sophisticated and educated and they are not as aggressive as the thugs - and therefore they also have more class & treat people better.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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Protests in Iran - really? where?


www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb

Protests in Iran - really? where?


www.abovetopsecret.com...



YOU! you Ahmadinejad fan boy!

You are sucha Iranian goverment mouthpiece for propaganda ! - how much are they paying you?


How dare you promote your filthy propaganda so shamelessly in my beautiful tribute/propaganda thread?


Ahh! you must go?

Yeah! I can hear your big beardy Basij commander is calling for you!


how cute!





posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb

Protests in Iran - really? where?


www.abovetopsecret.com...



This is what you call "reverse propaganda". Ridiculous.

Of course none of this is happening, and none of us really exist.

You can believe in your pictures and we'll believe in our pictures. You're as guilty as we are for believing whatever imagery is being presented to us.

[edit on 25-6-2009 by Electro38]



posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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Obama: A Profile in Cowardice

Daniel Greenfield

By Daniel Greenfield Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Meet Barack Hussein Obama. The man who turned his own middle name into a no-go zone during the election, only to bring it out of the closet when he trotted down to a Muslim country. The man whose associates labeled talk about his Muslim background as racist, only to proclaim his Muslim background loudly and proudly from the podium of a Muslim country.

There’s a word for a man like that. Coward.

Meet Obama, the bright young Senator with a phony biography geared to playing up his biracial angst for the college campuses. Who promised his leftist volunteers an end to rendition, detentions, eavesdropping and a whole bundle of other things, only to pull a bait and switch on them.

After all tools like that come in handy, even if they’re less likely to be used against Muslim terrorists, than they are against Tea Party protesters.

Meet Barack Obama, the man who was going to bring an end to the American coercion of other countries. No more would the White House tell the rest of the world what to do. Except of course to dictate where Jews can live in Israel, how the Honduran judiciary can operate and who can head the Muslim community in Greece.

Of course Obama has drawn the line somewhere. He has drawn the line against standing up to Ahmadinejad, Chavez or any Socialist or Muslim tyrant. Instead Obama has browbeaten America’s democratic allies, in support of Muslim and Socialist tyrannies. You can read that as Obama putting his own political and religious loyalties ahead of America’s interests. Or you can read it as the act of a craven coward who hopes to sacrifice America’s remaining allies in order to win over America’s enemies.

When the Iranian youth came out to protest against Ahmadinejad, Obama mumbled and fumbled for something to say. He dragged it out long enough to send a loud and clear message to the Iranian regime, that America would not interfere no matter what they did. And the regime got the message. Obama cannot be held completely responsible for the ruthless crackdown that has followed, but some of the blood is certainly on his well manicured hands and sleeves.

As the supposedly most cyber-aware fellow in the White House, Obama could have followed up on the British effort to provide social networking access to Iranian protesters, or on the one proposed by Senator John McCain, the man the media lambasted as tech-illiterate and out of touch. He could have imposed sanctions on Nokia for aiding in the repression of political dissidents and compelled them to make the plans for the technology they sold to Iran, public.

Harnessing America’s status as a world power and his own supposed global goodwill, Obama could have organized an international diplomatic response to the crackdown. He could have made any nuclear negotiations contingent on the treatment of the protesters. He could have done a dozen things, but aside from making a series of fumbling statements when his inaction became humiliating even for his own party, Barack Hussein Obama did nothing.

Behold the man. Behold the coward.
By contrast when Honduras’ legislature and supreme court acted to remove President Manuel Zelaya, a close ally of Chavez, who had fired the head of the army and attempted to stage a coup by violating the Constitution, Obama and his people have been working around the clock to restore Zelaya to power, even while stating that they want the whole thing to be “free from external influence and interference” (the hypocrisy on that line alone is almost enough to choke even Chavez himself). The question is why?

But of course it’s not that difficult of a question. Not when you think like a coward. Not when you think like Obama.

Why wouldn’t Obama panic at the sight of a Congress and Supreme Court removing a left wing Socialist President who violated the Constitution in pushing to make himself el-presidente for life, by violating term limits. Let alone the military dumping said President across border.

Obama no doubt has nightmares of waking up on a C-31 transport to Kenya, after enough of his wrongdoing leads him to being booted out of the White House by what remains of the American legislative and judicial infrastructure.

Today Manuel “ALBA” Zelaya. Tomorrow it could be Barry “Hussein” Obama. And Barry knows better than anyone else the full catalog of lies, crimes and scandals brewing beneath his regime. Obama’s rise to power has been part of an American hemisphere trend that covers the likes of Chavez, Zelaya, Correa, Silva and even the return of Kerry’s old buddy, Ortega, to power in Nicaragua. What all of them have in common with Obama is a left wing socialist agenda that ignores the rule of law. An attack against Zelaya, could in Obama’s mind be seen an attack against him equally.

If the rollback of socialist tyranny begins in Honduras, it might spread. If Brazil, Venezeula and Ecuador follow-- might not the democractic revolution spread to America as well, and make the Prince of Chicago’s throne shakier than ever?

That is how a coward thinks, and Obama is nothing if not a coward. And like all cowards, he knows how little he deserves what he has, and how easy it would be for him to lose it all. A gang of greedy and deluded followers, and a nationwide 24/7 propaganda blitz can only do so much. After all there isn’t a socialist tyrant in the hemisphere who hasn’t had the same thing. And yet the latest of them is enjoying a well deserved vacation in Venezuela.

A profile in cowardice. A liar and a manipulator who serves his own ends first and his host country’s, last.
Heavy hangs the head that wears the ill-gotten crown. From one corner of the globe to another, Obama flits back and forth, delivering speeches and posing for photos. Like a rat rubbing against a rosebush, hoping some of the loose petals will attach themselves to him so that he can appear more like a rosebush and less like a rat, Obama hopes that going through the motions of being a world leader will actually get people to confuse him with a world leader.

Yet his mumbling silence on Iran speaks far more eloquently about the sort of man Obama is, than all his scripted speeches ever could. Obama has been compared to JFK, but what he represents is no profile in courage, but a profile in cowardice. A liar and a manipulator who serves his own ends first and his host country’s, last. Who proclaims, Ask not what I can do for your country, Ask what your country can do for me. And above all else, a craven coward.
canadafreepress.com...



posted on Jul, 1 2009 @ 10:22 AM
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6 Mousavi supporters reportedly hanged

www.jpost.com...


As the Iranian authorities warned the opposition on Tuesday that they would tolerate no further protests over the disputed June 12 presidential elections, a report emerged of the hangings of six supporters of defeated candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi.


A supporter of pro-reform leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, flashes victory signs during a gathering near Ghoba Mosque in Teheran, Sunday.
Photo: AP

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World Speaking after Iran's top legislative body upheld the election victory of incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, sources in Iran told this reporter in a telephone interview that the hangings took place in the holy city of Mashhad on Monday. There was no independent confirmation of the report.

Underlining the climate of fear among direct and even indirect supporters of Mousavi's campaign for the election to be annulled, the sources also reported that a prominent cleric gave a speech to opposition protesters in Teheran earlier this week in which he publicly acknowledged that the very act of speaking at the gathering would likely cost him his life.

"Ayatollah Hadi Gafouri said that the Imam [Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini] never wanted [current supreme Leader] Ali Khamenei to succeed him. He even went to say that the Islamic republic died the day the Imam did," one source said.

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Other criticisms from senior clerics over the regime's handling of the elections and subsequent protests included a report from a Persian news agency, which on Tuesday quoted a senior cleric from the city of Esfahan, Ayatollah Seyyed Jalaleddin Taheri-Esfahani, defending Mousavi against the regime's criticisms.

The ayatollah was quoted as saying: "Is it a case of justice to see that an honorable and modest Seyyed [a descendant of the household of the prophet Muhammad], who until the last moments of Khomeini's life was a dear and close companion of that grand leader, is now considered to be a rioter and an agent of arrogance who must be punished?"



On Monday, witnesses said thousands of policemen and Basij militiamen carrying batons were deployed in Teheran's main squares to prevent any recurrence of the opposition protests. Drivers who so much as shouted "Allahu Akbar" or beeped their horns had their windows smashed by the Basiji and riot police.

Women police, better known as the Sisters of Zeynab, are also now out in force, the witnesses said.

"Some people are still going out into the streets, but there is despair and sadness," said one source. "Now we are told that [pro-Mousavi] green bands are illegal, which is ironic because it symbolizes the color of Islam."

On Monday, the daughter of former president Hashemi Rafsanjani, spoke a gathering of opposition protesters in Teheran's Enqelab Square, sources said. "Mrs. Faezeh Hashemi arrived and tried to give the people some words of encouragement," said one, "but the police broke up the rally within minutes."

He added, "My nephew saw one of these Sisters of Zeynab beat down an elderly woman with no mercy. When he tried to intervene, saying to her, 'Miss, she is like your grandmother,' the woman turned around to get a Basiji to deal with him."

Mousavi's Facebook page is still carrying messages aimed at quashing the notion that he is caving in. "He did not give in to the Guardians Council," runs one new message. "Mir Hossein Mousavi is not under house arrest, he is not about to leave the country, he is under strong pressure to end this, but he always said he will stand up for the people's will to the end! He is from and with the people."

Amid the talk of despair and quashed protests, one defiant reformist supporter told this reporter: "The regime wants the world to think they have won. Don't believe it... Even if this regime is about to collapse, they would not let anybody know until their final hour."



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