That video...
That video of her final moments is brutal.
And whether you're in the group who believes the Americans were involved, or those who feel this death shouldn't be worthy because of the thousands
that have come before it, realise those things don't matter. What matters is the incredible eye-opening that has begun, unfortunately thanks to this
girl and all her people struggling against tyranny and fear. Don't belittle what this event means because you feel jaded in some way or another about
your own governments. Like may have said, the Iranians will no longer stand for their regime, this is indeed a revolution. Regardless of the rest of
the world, and whatever involvement other countries have had before this, no one, especiallly the Iranians, s going to stand for this situation any
longer.
Every revoultion needs a spark. Parisians tore down the Bastille a few hundred years ago, brick by brick. It shall be interesting to see what the
Iranians bring down of their government.
I hope this girl and all those who've come before in every avoidable war, find solace in whatever may lie after life.
[edit on 22-6-2009 by TheAmazingK]
A tribute to Neda and the sheer bravery & spirit of all Iranian women, page 2
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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 01:32 PM by Darkblade71
reply to post by jjkenobi
I've cared for years! This reminds me of back in 1989 when I was graduating from High School and wore a black armband for all of the students in China who were slaughtered while they attempted to stand up to the Chinese Gov. in Tienement(sp) Square. It was my wake up call to how much farther we as a race, the human race, has to go.
Before that I saw the world with rose colored glasses, after that, I realized that the world is messed up for the most part. I am lucky to live in the US and am thankful that here, it is not nearly as bad as much of the world.
I believe that another generation is getting just what I got, an eye opener to how the world truely is.
How people still fight against Governments who oppress and hold down thier people. How barbaric much of the world still is and how unballanced, unstable and corrupt most governments truely are.
I care, and I am sure many others do too.
Another generation is learning the hard way about the world we live in from afar, watching and many of them will go on to be activists or fight for human rights.
The world cares!!!! The people care!! And we stand with all of those who want democracy and freedom! It is a seed that once planted,grows like a weed, and cannot be snuffed out.
I've cared for years! This reminds me of back in 1989 when I was graduating from High School and wore a black armband for all of the students in China who were slaughtered while they attempted to stand up to the Chinese Gov. in Tienement(sp) Square. It was my wake up call to how much farther we as a race, the human race, has to go.
Before that I saw the world with rose colored glasses, after that, I realized that the world is messed up for the most part. I am lucky to live in the US and am thankful that here, it is not nearly as bad as much of the world.
I believe that another generation is getting just what I got, an eye opener to how the world truely is.
How people still fight against Governments who oppress and hold down thier people. How barbaric much of the world still is and how unballanced, unstable and corrupt most governments truely are.
I care, and I am sure many others do too.
Another generation is learning the hard way about the world we live in from afar, watching and many of them will go on to be activists or fight for human rights.
The world cares!!!! The people care!! And we stand with all of those who want democracy and freedom! It is a seed that once planted,grows like a weed, and cannot be snuffed out.
reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 01:45 PM by Solomons
reply to post by TheAmazingK
Why is this a revolution? large protests are taking place because they did not like the election results,they are not planning to overthrow the supreme leader they just think the presidential elections were fraudulent...which is debatable.So where is this "revolution" you speak of? sounds like you are regurgitating msm BS to me.
Why is this a revolution? large protests are taking place because they did not like the election results,they are not planning to overthrow the supreme leader they just think the presidential elections were fraudulent...which is debatable.So where is this "revolution" you speak of? sounds like you are regurgitating msm BS to me.
reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 01:56 PM by TheAmazingK
reply to post by Solomons
Well, I don't pay any attention to the MSM, as you call it, so I don't quite know how to regurgitate things I haven't absorbed in the first place. I will admit that my knowledge of current events may not be so all-inclusive. I signed on today and saw a little of what was going on in the world. I looked at some threads here, read CNN's timeline of events only to see if they included this Neda situation (which they did not).
Protests easily turn into revolutions. It is an event like this that sparks it. It started as a fight for truth in the already existing system, as you say. How long, though, until the realisation that the system cannot be fixed? When do the protests become demands for change of the system?
Well, I don't pay any attention to the MSM, as you call it, so I don't quite know how to regurgitate things I haven't absorbed in the first place. I will admit that my knowledge of current events may not be so all-inclusive. I signed on today and saw a little of what was going on in the world. I looked at some threads here, read CNN's timeline of events only to see if they included this Neda situation (which they did not).
Protests easily turn into revolutions. It is an event like this that sparks it. It started as a fight for truth in the already existing system, as you say. How long, though, until the realisation that the system cannot be fixed? When do the protests become demands for change of the system?
reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 02:10 PM by tyranny22
reply to post by Kaytagg
I completely agree that each and every Iraqi death should have been covered with this much publicity. But, on the other hand, if you feel so inclined – make a new thread yourself.
The events are totally different though, in my opinion. Had an American troop done the same thing with similar circumstances, the troop would have been imprisoned, if not worse. It wouldn't have taken long to find the troop that fired the shot, being that the video clearly showed the location of the incident and troops positioned at that post could be identified. However, in this instance, I doubt the assassin's identity will ever be publicly known, much less receive any sort of punishment. I'm sure the Government knows the killer's name, but in this instance, it wasn't his job to secure an area from hostile insurgents (like an American troop in Iraq) - it was to quell a peaceful uprising in Iran. And he did what was within his power given to him by his commanders. Any decent human being would have ignored any orders to kill another human being over a political opinion.
My heart goes out to all those in Iran fighting to be heard and for their votes to be counted.
I completely agree that each and every Iraqi death should have been covered with this much publicity. But, on the other hand, if you feel so inclined – make a new thread yourself.
The events are totally different though, in my opinion. Had an American troop done the same thing with similar circumstances, the troop would have been imprisoned, if not worse. It wouldn't have taken long to find the troop that fired the shot, being that the video clearly showed the location of the incident and troops positioned at that post could be identified. However, in this instance, I doubt the assassin's identity will ever be publicly known, much less receive any sort of punishment. I'm sure the Government knows the killer's name, but in this instance, it wasn't his job to secure an area from hostile insurgents (like an American troop in Iraq) - it was to quell a peaceful uprising in Iran. And he did what was within his power given to him by his commanders. Any decent human being would have ignored any orders to kill another human being over a political opinion.
My heart goes out to all those in Iran fighting to be heard and for their votes to be counted.
reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 03:15 PM by Phenomium
Originally posted by LSDeviant
Originally posted by Kaytagg
It always amazes me how hypocritical people are. One Iranian woman dies, and suddenly the world is turned on it's head. A million iraqi's die and nobody bats an eyelash.
Whatever. At least people are upset over somebody dieing. That's a step in the right direction.
Really? You're going to complain because people are attaching themselves to a cause just because it's not the cause you feel they should be supporting? Shame on you. Make a thread about the million dead Iraqi citizens.
edit to add: apparently I'm not the first person to point this ridiculousness out. Huzzah.
Edit AGAIN!!! To add to the guy above me - this is in response to a specific video containing the most human moment that I personally have EVER seen conveyed through video. Hence the current surge of these types of threads. Why derail this thread? Make your own for all the men dying!
I'm not dertailing the thread. I am merely stating that when MEN die (and I think there are MORE than enough videos of that in this world) no one seems to care, as the fine gentleman stated in your re-reply, no one even bats an eye lash. Even in this case, she wasn't the only video footage I saw over there of someone who died. I also saw video on the news of a man getting beat to death and was also lying in a pool of his own blood. They barely mentioned it. As for you seeing the "most human moment" you have personally ever seen? Well, that is just that.....it's the most personal human moment that "YOU" have ever seen. That doesn't mean that it is the most personal human moment for the rest of the world. probably just for many of the women out there. I happen to think that the MEN in the world should recieve more credit for the human element that they are sacrificing and I'll start by thanking the gentleman who gave his life for freedom, just as the female did and was plastered all over the news yet got no entitlement for it. "Thank you sir, the nameless gentleman who gave his life for all Iranian people (whoever you were) for your sacrifice to men and women alike." Here is a photo of the man I speak of who died with no less blood than this female who got lauded for her sacrifice while this man died in vain.
(graphic photo) - Do not click link if offended by graphic scenes.
Photo of man who should be thanked properly as this woman has been.
reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 03:21 PM by Solomons
reply to post by masonwatcher
Because the media are bombarding people with it...and like good little sailboats they go wherever the wind(msm) takes them..days later and im still shocked by how gullible people on ATS are to the media,its shameful on a site where the motto is deny ignorance.
Because the media are bombarding people with it...and like good little sailboats they go wherever the wind(msm) takes them..days later and im still shocked by how gullible people on ATS are to the media,its shameful on a site where the motto is deny ignorance.
reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 03:26 PM by FlyersFan
reply to post by masonwatcher
Jeeeeeeeeze .. look at the video.
You look into her eyes as she dies for freedom.
It's VERY haunting.
You are a male muslim, right?
Islam isn't known for treating women very well.
You are that cold towards a womans death that you try to deflect
and bring in Israel as the bad guy, as you usually do, even with this?
Someone turn the heat up .... it's freezing cold in this thread.
Jeeeeeeeeze .. look at the video. You look into her eyes as she dies for freedom.
It's VERY haunting.
You are a male muslim, right?
Islam isn't known for treating women very well.
You are that cold towards a womans death that you try to deflect
and bring in Israel as the bad guy, as you usually do, even with this?
Someone turn the heat up .... it's freezing cold in this thread.
reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 03:39 PM by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by FlyersFan
Everyone has a scape goat. I think the guy's screen name says enough for me to know that he has a diluted view of what is taking place in the world. "Masonwatcher?" I suppose he thinks that Masons are eeeeeevil too.
Flyers, one of these days you will realize that it is easy for people to blame groups that they disagree with. Oh, but damn you if you blame anything that they are affiliated with.
Everyone has a scape goat. I think the guy's screen name says enough for me to know that he has a diluted view of what is taking place in the world. "Masonwatcher?" I suppose he thinks that Masons are eeeeeevil too.
Flyers, one of these days you will realize that it is easy for people to blame groups that they disagree with. Oh, but damn you if you blame anything that they are affiliated with.
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