If that's the case they should have another election. There is no point in recounting the votes if the votes were counted more than once.

how do they have Over 100% wouldnt trust that info! basically it is an ignorant headline

[edit on 21-6-2009 by paradiselost333]

Originally posted by paradiselost333
how do they have Over 100% wouldnt trust that info!

The number of votes in certain cities were more than the number of people living there, therefore made-up results in Ahmadinejad's favour.

This is the guardian council officially announcing this whether its correct or not they are admitting the election was a sham.

There may be back-tracking to cover up previous lies with another one. I doubt they are telling us exactly how many votes were rigged but just enough so that it conveniently doesn't affect the final winner in order for them to get out of this mess.

IMHO the regime is desperately trying to survive and so may turn against Khamenei and blame him for the sham election and elect a new supreme leader with new elections.

Originally posted by paradiselost333
how do they have Over 100% wouldnt trust that info! basically it is an ignorant headline

[edit on 21-6-2009 by paradiselost333]

The headline is what the guardian council are stating, therefore admitting mistakes were made and implying a sham election was carried out by Khamenei.

Presstv is owned by the Islamic regime so they wouldn't post anything other than what the regime asks them to.

Will the protestors be happy with Khamenei & Ahmadinejad gone with Mousavi as president if the regime survives?

Did those who died yesterday and last Monday die for their votes to be counted or did they die to help remove the regime completely?

[edit on 21-6-2009 by john124]

This was a case of classic ballot stuffing. A trick the Russians taught the Iranians how to pull off.

Ahmadinajed ballots were put into the boxes, and there was the usual shenanigans of Mousavi ones getting miscounted, lost, etc.

Not hard to fix an election when you are in power. Power is not in the the hands of the voter, it's in the hands of the vote counter.

It is possible Ahmadinajed actually did win if the real numbers were known.
He receive 61% of the vote in the 2005 election. He has tremendous support among the ordinary country people, while Mousavi is favoured mainly by the Westernized student and professional class.

Khameini panicked, made sure the fix was in, and declared a winner too soon, with non-credible results.

That can't be undone and may have been a mistake that changes Iranian history.

Mike

Just more proof that this election was complete b/s.



Power to the people of Iran!

Originally posted by john124


This power struggle IMHO could go in favour of rafsanjani or khamenei. Will getting rid of khamenei be enough for the people though, or do they want revolution.

Khameini is the last holdout from the Islamic Revolution founders who still believes the country is on the path to converting the world to the true interpretation of the Shiite Muslim faith. He is very old, probably becoming senile, and has little to lose in a conflagration in the near future. Ahmadinajed lets slip out that he feels he is guided by the 12th Imam. In short, religious fanatics.

Not much has been gained with proxy wars and antagonism of Israel, involvement in Iraqi faction fighting, support of people Like Chavez, Kim in NK, etc.

Meanwhile, the country is becoming poorer with oil prices well below the needs to meet their budgets. A new generation is disenchanted, unemployed, seeing more heroin addiction, and is uncommitted to a Revolution run by old men.

Rafsanjani is wealthy and powerful. A realist who does not want to lose the gains made by him and the clerical elite.

Khameini is in the same position the Shah found himself 30 years ago. Too oppressive, top out of touch with his people. But re refuses to compromise with the changing mood.

Time for a replacement, and there's a mad jockeying to see who will pick up the reins of power.

Mousavi is the one seen as the saviour in waiting. Hope and change are in the air.

Viva la Revolucion.

Mike

white booney and booney white

ok now MSM have finally some start of a proof, no doubt it will be all over western papers;

if they don't hand over power to mousavi, we invade

power to the people !

great

and with who btw ?

ah yes the heroes of western media: rasfandjani and mousavi... two radicals old school that had power before and for many years, two radicals engaged in another of those power struggles against their perfect photocopies, two radicals that just turned their jacket around a few month ago (more convenient otherwise quite tough to see the difference)

+(let's not forget those)

MKO a military group, the private army of sadam hussein, bought by the states after irak invasion, and that pretend to be marxist (Karl, rest in peace, don't look)... (you should see the video of the coming of this MKO leader in paris, cadillac & body guards in black all over the place; fancy revolution they're preparing those guys)

what a team !

power to the people, yeah right...

you'd better find an Iranian Morales (Bolivia president if you don't know that) leading the revolt to make this (at least) appear less hypocrite.

in the mean time, picking a side is quite a foolish and risky position if you really mean to care about the small people of iran.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]

1 big thump up for this presstv.ir that is not scared to ONLY relay information:

one time about the premeditation (those that called for propaganda must review their position there),

one time about the election fraud

if our MSM could follow the example,
because that's exactly how we like media to be: no opinion, just information backed and sourced, whatever the consequences.

and the terrible conclusion that it implied : iran media may well have much more editorial freedom than western one.

and from that i guess we can extrapolate to say that western "democracies" need a revolution at least as much as iran does.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
1 big thump up for this presstv.ir that is not scared to ONLY relay information:

one time about the premeditation (those that called from propaganda must review their position there),

one time about the election fraud

if our MSM could follow the example,
because that's exactly how we like media to be: no opinion, just information backed and sourced, whatever the consequences.

and the terrible conclusion that it implied : iran media may well have much more editorial freedom than western one.

and from that i guess we can extrapolate to say that western "democracies" need a revolution at least as much as iran does.

That's a pretty naive assessment you just made!

presstv is definitely state controlled, they would not say anything without the regimes consent, for christ sake they are quoting the guardian council so if the guardian council said that to presstv why would they not want it to be published. It's all part of a propaganda machine.

Propaganda machines can work 2 ways: lies about other countries, and convenient ways of letting out distorted truths about your own country.

This will be an attempt for the regime to go back on what they said before in order to get rid of Khaminei and blame him for the whole election fraud, after all he's the one really to blame. And this is the only way the other mullahs can survive and the regime as a whole to survive, unless the opposition reject any form of the regime surviving, then a bloody revolution between the army and revolutionary guard will ensue.

[edit on 22-6-2009 by john124]

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
1 big thump up for this presstv.ir that is not scared to ONLY relay information:

one time about the premeditation (those that called for propaganda must review their position there),

one time about the election fraud

if our MSM could follow the example,
because that's exactly how we like media to be: no opinion, just information backed and sourced, whatever the consequences.

and the terrible conclusion that it implied : iran media may well have much more editorial freedom than western one.

and from that i guess we can extrapolate to say that western "democracies" need a revolution at least as much as iran does.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]

Another point is that nobody in Iran not the press, not one person has editiorial freedom unless they are willing to put their life on the line.

I still can't believe you think our press is more controlled. You have everything you said about Iran and the west backwards in your head.

It's just like my Iranian friend told me, the majority of westerners don't have a clue about Iran or how the regime operates.



[edit on 22-6-2009 by john124]

[edit on 22-6-2009 by john124]

READ THE IMPORTANT UPDATE I PUT ON THE FIRST FIRST POST

whatever, let say you are correct about the how of the why : in that case those iranians opinion makers are true amators compared to us ! and they need serious training in mind control (i guess they'll get it after the revolution)

this would never, and will never happen in our MSM, not a chance ! even against all odds, they will stick to the line, whatever the quantity of nonsense required for that !

(sweet dreams)