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Iran Guardian Council: Over 100% voted in 50 cities

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Guardian Council: Over 100% voted in 50 cities


www.presstv.ir

Iran's Guardian Council has admitted that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of those eligible to cast ballot in those areas.

The council's Spokesman Abbas-Ali Kadkhodaei, who was speaking on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Sunday, made the remarks in response to complaints filed by Mohsen Rezaei -- a defeated candidate in the June 12 Presidential election.
(visit the link for the full news article)

IMPORTANT UPDATE: JUST FOUND OUT THIS ARTICLE IS NOT ACCURATE: ACTUALLY THE GUARDIAN COUNCIL SAID THAT THE 3 MILLION VOTES DON'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND SO AHMADINEJAD THE WINNER.

This is just the regime playing for more time trying to fool us by getting their regime news service to tell us more lies that they are looking into it, nothing more than that. How many more times will presstv lie.

Although they did admit the election was a sham, although we can't trust what they say even when they say something we might actually agree with.




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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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So now they backtrack and admit mistakes were made. What is this all about? More cover ups or a way to pretend the rigging was actually mistakes so what is already in effect martial law doesn't have to officially announced.

IMHO this is either:

1). Buy more time as their desperation grows.

2). Trying to backtrack and somehow say OK then there was a mistake, and then have a run-off between Moussavi and Ahmadinejad. So the regime and Khaminei survives with fair elections. (Protestors won't accept Khamenei staying, and so will lead to further protests).

But for this backtracking it would have to mean the 3 million accepted extra votes make a difference. But since the regime official results are 24.5 million votes for Ahmadinejad, and 13.2 million for Mousavi how does 3 million extra votes make a difference?!!!

Or even if 5 million votes were founded to be mistakenly for Ahmadinejad, it doesn't affect who wins the election. How can the guardian council say "we don't know if this affects the actual results of the election or not".

With simple maths it does not affect it at all! Do they think we are stupid.

3). Rafsanjani has enough support to get rid of Khamenei, the guardian council backtrack, decide it should go to a run-off and the regime survives. It's plausible then for a 2nd round or a re-run where everyone votes again.

In this case the Iranian people will end up with Mousavi as president and Khamenei gone so this might work. Although this still requires the regime to change, it won't be fundamental change such as no basij and revolutionary guards.

The protestors may decide the country needs to fundamentally change from top to bottom, and want the entire regime dismantled. Will this be enough for them?

If the guardian council want to save the regime they will have to hurry up. Khamenei is getting more isolated now and this may be the opportunity to end this more peacefully.

www.presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:32 PM
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If that's the case they should have another election. There is no point in recounting the votes if the votes were counted more than once.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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how do they have Over 100% wouldnt trust that info!
basically it is an ignorant headline


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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by paradiselost333
how do they have Over 100% wouldnt trust that info!


The number of votes in certain cities were more than the number of people living there, therefore made-up results in Ahmadinejad's favour.

This is the guardian council officially announcing this whether its correct or not they are admitting the election was a sham.

There may be back-tracking to cover up previous lies with another one. I doubt they are telling us exactly how many votes were rigged but just enough so that it conveniently doesn't affect the final winner in order for them to get out of this mess.

IMHO the regime is desperately trying to survive and so may turn against Khamenei and blame him for the sham election and elect a new supreme leader with new elections.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by paradiselost333
how do they have Over 100% wouldnt trust that info!
basically it is an ignorant headline


[edit on 21-6-2009 by paradiselost333]


The headline is what the guardian council are stating, therefore admitting mistakes were made and implying a sham election was carried out by Khamenei.

Presstv is owned by the Islamic regime so they wouldn't post anything other than what the regime asks them to.

Will the protestors be happy with Khamenei & Ahmadinejad gone with Mousavi as president if the regime survives?

Did those who died yesterday and last Monday die for their votes to be counted or did they die to help remove the regime completely?

[edit on 21-6-2009 by john124]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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This was a case of classic ballot stuffing. A trick the Russians taught the Iranians how to pull off.

Ahmadinajed ballots were put into the boxes, and there was the usual shenanigans of Mousavi ones getting miscounted, lost, etc.

Not hard to fix an election when you are in power. Power is not in the the hands of the voter, it's in the hands of the vote counter.

It is possible Ahmadinajed actually did win if the real numbers were known.
He receive 61% of the vote in the 2005 election. He has tremendous support among the ordinary country people, while Mousavi is favoured mainly by the Westernized student and professional class.

Khameini panicked, made sure the fix was in, and declared a winner too soon, with non-credible results.

That can't be undone and may have been a mistake that changes Iranian history.

Mike



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Just more proof that this election was complete b/s.



Power to the people of Iran!




posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

This was a case of classic ballot stuffing. A trick the Russians taught the Iranians how to pull off.

Ahmadinajed ballots were put into the boxes, and there was the usual shenanigans of Mousavi ones getting miscounted, lost, etc.

Not hard to fix an election when you are in power. Power is not in the the hands of the voter, it's in the hands of the vote counter.

It is possible Ahmadinajed actually did win if the real numbers were known.
He receive 61% of the vote in the 2005 election. He has tremendous support among the ordinary country people, while Mousavi is favoured mainly by the Westernized student and professional class.

Khameini panicked, made sure the fix was in, and declared a winner too soon, with non-credible results.

That can't be undone and may have been a mistake that changes Iranian history.

Mike





Yes my opinion is that the Russian's helped them plan this for months.

I do think Ahmadinejad most likely lost in the real results, otherwise why would the regime suddenly collapse and the ayatollahs start fighting amongst themselves otherwise. But it would be interesting to know the real results.

This power struggle IMHO could go in favour of rafsanjani or khamenei. Will getting rid of khamenei be enough for the people though, or do they want revolution.

Here's AP report on the power struggle:

Struggle Among Iran's Clerics Bursts out into Open



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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From twitter: Al Arabiya reports Assembly of Experts shortlisting replacements for Khamenei!

source this link: www.alarabiya.net...

This is google translation of it:

translate.google.com... _state0=



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by john124


This power struggle IMHO could go in favour of rafsanjani or khamenei. Will getting rid of khamenei be enough for the people though, or do they want revolution.


Khameini is the last holdout from the Islamic Revolution founders who still believes the country is on the path to converting the world to the true interpretation of the Shiite Muslim faith. He is very old, probably becoming senile, and has little to lose in a conflagration in the near future. Ahmadinajed lets slip out that he feels he is guided by the 12th Imam. In short, religious fanatics.

Not much has been gained with proxy wars and antagonism of Israel, involvement in Iraqi faction fighting, support of people Like Chavez, Kim in NK, etc.

Meanwhile, the country is becoming poorer with oil prices well below the needs to meet their budgets. A new generation is disenchanted, unemployed, seeing more heroin addiction, and is uncommitted to a Revolution run by old men.

Rafsanjani is wealthy and powerful. A realist who does not want to lose the gains made by him and the clerical elite.

Khameini is in the same position the Shah found himself 30 years ago. Too oppressive, top out of touch with his people. But re refuses to compromise with the changing mood.

Time for a replacement, and there's a mad jockeying to see who will pick up the reins of power.

Mousavi is the one seen as the saviour in waiting. Hope and change are in the air.

Viva la Revolucion.

Mike



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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white booney and booney white

ok now MSM have finally some start of a proof, no doubt it will be all over western papers;

if they don't hand over power to mousavi, we invade

power to the people !

great

and with who btw ?

ah yes the heroes of western media: rasfandjani and mousavi... two radicals old school that had power before and for many years, two radicals engaged in another of those power struggles against their perfect photocopies, two radicals that just turned their jacket around a few month ago (more convenient otherwise quite tough to see the difference)

+(let's not forget those)

MKO a military group, the private army of sadam hussein, bought by the states after irak invasion, and that pretend to be marxist (Karl, rest in peace, don't look)... (you should see the video of the coming of this MKO leader in paris, cadillac & body guards in black all over the place; fancy revolution they're preparing those guys)

what a team !

power to the people, yeah right...

you'd better find an Iranian Morales (Bolivia president if you don't know that) leading the revolt to make this (at least) appear less hypocrite.

in the mean time, picking a side is quite a foolish and risky position if you really mean to care about the small people of iran.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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1 big thump up for this presstv.ir that is not scared to ONLY relay information:

one time about the premeditation (those that called for propaganda must review their position there),

one time about the election fraud

if our MSM could follow the example,
because that's exactly how we like media to be: no opinion, just information backed and sourced, whatever the consequences.

and the terrible conclusion that it implied : iran media may well have much more editorial freedom than western one.

and from that i guess we can extrapolate to say that western "democracies" need a revolution at least as much as iran does.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by ::.mika.::
1 big thump up for this presstv.ir that is not scared to ONLY relay information:

one time about the premeditation (those that called from propaganda must review their position there),

one time about the election fraud

if our MSM could follow the example,
because that's exactly how we like media to be: no opinion, just information backed and sourced, whatever the consequences.

and the terrible conclusion that it implied : iran media may well have much more editorial freedom than western one.

and from that i guess we can extrapolate to say that western "democracies" need a revolution at least as much as iran does.


That's a pretty naive assessment you just made!

presstv is definitely state controlled, they would not say anything without the regimes consent, for christ sake they are quoting the guardian council so if the guardian council said that to presstv why would they not want it to be published. It's all part of a propaganda machine.

Propaganda machines can work 2 ways: lies about other countries, and convenient ways of letting out distorted truths about your own country.

This will be an attempt for the regime to go back on what they said before in order to get rid of Khaminei and blame him for the whole election fraud, after all he's the one really to blame. And this is the only way the other mullahs can survive and the regime as a whole to survive, unless the opposition reject any form of the regime surviving, then a bloody revolution between the army and revolutionary guard will ensue.

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by ::.mika.::
1 big thump up for this presstv.ir that is not scared to ONLY relay information:

one time about the premeditation (those that called for propaganda must review their position there),

one time about the election fraud

if our MSM could follow the example,
because that's exactly how we like media to be: no opinion, just information backed and sourced, whatever the consequences.

and the terrible conclusion that it implied : iran media may well have much more editorial freedom than western one.

and from that i guess we can extrapolate to say that western "democracies" need a revolution at least as much as iran does.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]


Another point is that nobody in Iran not the press, not one person has editiorial freedom unless they are willing to put their life on the line.

I still can't believe you think our press is more controlled. You have everything you said about Iran and the west backwards in your head.

It's just like my Iranian friend told me, the majority of westerners don't have a clue about Iran or how the regime operates.



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posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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READ THE IMPORTANT UPDATE I PUT ON THE FIRST FIRST POST



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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whatever, let say you are correct about the how of the why : in that case those iranians opinion makers are true amators compared to us ! and they need serious training in mind control (i guess they'll get it after the revolution)

this would never, and will never happen in our MSM, not a chance ! even against all odds, they will stick to the line, whatever the quantity of nonsense required for that !

(sweet dreams)



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 07:27 AM
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"Once again, Iran is an experimental field for innovative subversive methods. "

"The CIA is relying in 2009 on a new weapon: control of cell phones."

"First, SMS were sent by the CIA during the night of the counting of the votes, according to which the Guardian Council of the Constitution (equivalent to a constitutional court) had informed Mir-Hossein Mousavi of his victory."

" After that, the announcing of the official results — the re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with 64 % of cast votes — seemed like a huge fraud. "

"However, three days earlier, M. Mousavi and his friends were considering a massive victory of M. Ahmadinejad as certain and were trying to explain it by unbalanced campaigns. "

"Indeed the ex president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani was detailing his grievances in an open letter."

" The US polling institutes in Iran were predicting a 20 points lead for M. Ahmadinejad over M. Mousavi ."

" M. Mousavi victory never seemed possible, even if it is probable that some fraud accentuated the margin between the two candidates."

"Secondly, Iranian citizens were selected by the CIA or volunteered on the Internet by the CIA to chat on Facebook or to subscribe to Twitter feeds."

" They received information —true or false— (still via SMS) about the evolution of the political crisis and the ongoing demonstrations. "

"These anonymous news posts by the CIA were spreading news of gun fights and numerous deaths which to this day have not been confirmed. "

"Because of an unfortunate calendar overlap, Twitter was supposed to suspend its service for a night to allow for some maintenance of its systems."

" The US State Department intervened to ask them to postpone it . According to the New York Times, these operations contributed to spread defiance in the population."

"Simultaneously, in a new type of effort, the CIA is mobilizing anti-Iranian militants in the United States and in the United Kingdom to increase the chaos."

" A Practical Guide to revolution in Iran was distributed to them, which contains a number of recommendations, including:
set Twitter accounts feeds to Tehran time zone;
centralize messages on the following Twitter accounts @stopAhmadi, #iranelection and #gr88 ;
official Iranian State websites should not be attacked. « Let the US military take care of it » .

www.voltairenet.org/article160670.html


news.xinhuanet.com...

www.guardian.co.uk...

And more here

vdare.com...

I think I am one of the few who actually sees what is really going on and you are one of the sheep = this site meant to be about uncovering thsi type of crap - why have we put it on hold ?



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