Originally posted by daddyroo45


No disrespect intended,however have you given thought to the thousands and thousands of legal immigrants that took the time and effort to EARN citizenship? Those that have become model citizens,and actually assimilated into society?

No disrespect taken. I understand your point of view and honestly I would agree that it would be a slap in the face to legal immigrants to grant the illegals citizenship just for being here. My family emigrated here legally from Europe, half many years ago and half during the 30's to escape the Nazis. They worked hard, learned English and struggled to set up a good life for themselves.

However, the illegal immigrants are already here. We set up the law that says we can't kick them out once they get here, and many of them have raised families here (their children being legal, the parents not). We can't break up those families, just as we can't violate our own laws to deport massive groups of individuals. It would be a modern trail of tears.

If we gave illegal immigrants legal status, employers would no longer be able to pay them illegal wages under the table. Employers, now facing a leveled playing field, would be more inclined to hire naturalized citizens, who are fluent in English, and usually better educated. Illegal immigrants (who are now legal) would find it much harder to obtain work, and faced with taxes like any other citizen, would be more inclined to return to their countries of origin. If they decide to stay, they would need to work harder to learn American Customs and English, because no employer is going to hire someone with a language barrier for the same price they can hire a natural citizen.

Landscapers, Golf course owners, construction workers, factory owners and Walmart might not like it, but they would have to pay more on average to the American workers, which would help to revitalize the economy. The increased tax revenue from all of the newly legal immigrants could also be used to enforce the borders further.

I'm not saying that illegal immigration is a justifiable act, it is illegal after all. However, I'm trying to offer a pragmatic solution that would essentially not only be best for the illegals here, but for every American citizen.

Originally posted by yyyyyyyyyy
and the police could spend resources tracking down REAL criminals.

Illegal immigrants ARE criminals.

And they're thieves.

And they dilute our culture.

And they're a drain on our resources.

And regarding human rights, they've got those in Mexico, too...send them back so they can enjoy their own country's culture and rights.

It's all payback for when we came into this land and stole it from the Indians by tricking them. Sure we did good here by screwing the Indians over, but you don't glorify the fortune the thief made from investing money he robbed from people even though he gives some to charity right?

I doubt anyone will even try replying to this because it's too real for some of you.

My very humble opinions....

Zindo I think your Joe Illegal and Joe Legal statements are a bit stretched out.  Like someone else pointed out ILLEGALS may not be making $15 in construction.  The only way I see an Illegal making that amount per hour is if he is very skilled in a construction trade(ex. Carpentry, Drywall, Finishers...etc). 

   I think there is some truth to your post. However, a small truth can be the biggest lie.  What you stated sounds like it's coming from an emotional perspective.  I did not sense any "research" coming from your "facts."  One thing I would like to point out is I do not favor illegal immigration.  I do not support breaking the law.  I do see the inconvenience that the illegals are inflicting in some places. 

I do have a hard time understanding why many CITIZENS are complaning about how illegals are taking "their" jobs.  Is there a reason why a US citizen should be flipping burgers or taking your order at a drive through?  Working at a car wash or cleaning toilets in the local mall?? You were born here, went to school..have the opportunity to attend a community college if you cant afford one of your choice.  Not to mention the military.  I've never heard lawyers, doctors, nurses, etc complaining about the illegals taking their jobs. 

The issue of illegals using gov't services... I cant relate.  I dont know how sure some of you can be that illegals can obtain all this "pay for rent, food stamps, free this.. free that.. when they dont have an ID or a SS.  Here in the DC area illegals get nothing.  No WIC no food stamps.. nothing!  If they can do it in your state then its your state leaders to blame.  I know CITIZENS who dont work and have never even thought of working because the gov't gives them eveything... does that make it right?

One other thing...because an "illegal" drives nice cars and wears nice clothes and lives in a nice house...seriously...is he really illegal?? Dont we need a SS to buy a house and a car?  What is your definition of nice?  If a hispanic person pulls up in a mercedes 500 next to your mazda 6 at a red light, what comes to mind??  It seems to some of you hispanics and poor always go hand in hand.

I think giving them a SS and having them pay taxes is the way to go.  Throw in a 10-15k dollar fine for coming in here illegally and mandatory military service.  First criminal offense they are found guilty of and auto deportation.  That could be a slap in the face to those that waited in line...but that process is tainted.  I know guys that make bets on who will be the one with the most denials at the end of the day in Mexican, El Salvadorian, Guatemalan etc embassies.  These are guys that served with me in the Corps, I have no reason to lie.  The borders need to be SECURED and the immigration process fixed.I wonder if we gave all the "illegals" SS cards how long till the doctors and lawyers start bitching about shortage of jobs...

Originally posted by arcnaver

Originally posted by The Killah29
Why work in a system the eliete made? It will just screw you over. Joe Illegal has the good idea.

By the way, why do we need to have borders anyway?

Very good question! Can I come to your house and eat all your food stores tonight?

Good point.
Its a bit like asking the question, why do houses have front doors?
Answer, so only those you INVITE can come in, not every man and his dog.

[qute]Originally posted by Redneck from Hell
It's all payback for when we came into this land and stole it from the Indians by tricking them.

We? Hmm, lets see, what have I done with my life.... I played a lot of games as a kid, did band and sports in highschool, worked tons of jobs, went to college, drank mind blowing amounts of booze partying in an effort to rid myself of my cursed liver... hmm. You know, I honestly don't remember the whole tricking Indians to still their land thing. But shame on you for apparently doing it.

Sarcasm aside, I see your point, but come on. You gettin all religious here or something? Karma decided to punish the ancestors of those who raped the Indians land and almost wiped them out by hundreds of years later having illegal immigrants come and be a burden on their economy. Hahahahah! Why wouldn't karma hurt those directly responsible? Or perhaps an even better question, if karma is involved, do you really think the punishment of illegals being here fits the crime?

Oh and about the whole "we" doing this thing, I'm part Blackfoot Indian, so what part of me is getting what I deserve and what part of me is finally getting retribution? Just goes to show the absurdity of justifying current situations by events that occurred centuries ago.

[edit on 22-6-2009 by Grambler]

As a former illegal alien I can assure you that we were not eligible for any benefits such as Food Stamps, WIC, Section 8, ect;

Even though I have two American citizen brothers my parents would never have dreamed of applying for any types of benefits for them as it would have highlighted my parents and mine lack of legal status.

As a child the emergency room was our doctor's office. I remember it well. Sitting for hours to get a broken arm looked after, being afraid my broken arm might get my parents in trouble.

I remember getting my first job. Lots of illegals worked there, but I was just assumed not be one, afterall I looked white and spoke perfect english.

By the way - the path to entering the country legally is all but impossible for someone who isn't wealthy. Illegal Jose left Mexico for a better life ( read: better financial life) - His pesos aren't enough to apply for a visa, greencard ect;

So I got caught about 5 years ago - the place I'd been working for ten years got fined, I lost my apartment, car - It was pretty darn harsh. My lawyer said he could keep me in the country for 25K - but it would take years and I wouldn't be able to work in the mean time. Also INS was pretty pissed that I wouldn't rat out the rest of my family. So in the end I decided to go back to a country I'd left as an infant.

But hey I'm just a scum bag criminal who deserved everything I got, right?

[edit on 6/22/2009 by biggin]

Originally posted by Praetorian Guard
Illegal immigrants ARE criminals.

And they're thieves.

And they dilute our culture.

And they're a drain on our resources.

And regarding human rights, they've got those in Mexico, too...send them back so they can enjoy their own country's culture and rights.

It's when I read comments like that that I take GREAT delight to see America crashing and burning around ya'll. You seem to forget that those that started the US were illegal immigrants .. CRIMINALS if you prefer .. themselves.

Man, I laugh my ass off every time I see another hoity toity American BIGOT loose their job and end up as poor as those poor Mexicans that you are so afraid of.

And BTW, the US has more of her citizens, her CRIMINALS, locked up in prison than any other nation, so don't talk "who's the criminal dirtball" without checking your own stink first, ha.

Crash and burn, crash and burn baby ... I want to see Americans having to sneak into Mexico to escape their corrupt government and the poverty that will be overtaking your nation built upon invaded and stolen lands. This country has so much bad karma coming out her butt because of attitudes like yours. Man, I'd pay to see Mexicans tossing Americans back where they belong one day soon.

Now excuse me, I'm going to go help my friends crash your cheating funny money economy, HAR!!!