Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama.......it is always the same, and will always be the same. Voting in this country has become a joke. At least they hide it a little better than Iran.

Originally posted by Ace High
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama.......it is always the same, and will always be the same. Voting in this country has become a joke. At least they hide it a little better than Iran.

At least the Iranians can muster a pair to dismantle a government if they feel necessary, at this point its safe to say Americans and British are now TV-numbed cowards.

One day the people of America will learn there is nothing a citizen can do politically to convince the government to change for the people. Our vote means SFA because who the **** does one vote for when they are all puppets ? Is Ron Paul really THE one and only that has the balls to make a stand with and for his people ? Or, is he just wind in a bag blowing smoke until he gets his strings. I fear the people of America will have to rise up as the citizens of Iran have. Our pride must be swallowed and our balls must drop before we unite together and strive for a true change. All governments provide the bare minimum they can get away with and we the people let them get away with everything including murder. Until then, they (government) will continue to propagate and dumb down the people of America.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by disfugured]

I lived in Illinois when Obama was a state senator. He was a crook then, no change now.
Pretty much nothing he does surprises us.

To say that Obama 'closes doors on openness' would mean that at some point those doors must have been open. The truth is, that at no point in career has Obama ever really had openness or transparancy.

I guess what depresses me is that most people don't care.

I feel like Charlton Heston in Soilet Green screaming, "It's people! They're making it out of people!".

And the rest of the population is going, "Shut up! We're eating."

so i have heard now mix feelings about Obama, Is he really that good what ive heard or is he just another Criminal in the office? im not American so i cant know what´s going on there, i just know what i read in the news here

What a hypocrite.....I voted for him because I actually believed he would do what he said and well it just makes me even more pissed when I read daily he hasnt done anything different than the others.

Originally posted by Watchdog-Finland
so i have heard now mix feelings about Obama, Is he really that good what ive heard or is he just another Criminal in the office? im not American so i cant know what´s going on there, i just know what i read in the news here

It depends on who you talk to. Some think that he is the Messiah. The second comming of the anointed one. A superhero. He can do no wrong and he is perfect.
Then there are those of us that knew of him in Chicago, knew he was a crook, a liar, and wants to turn America into a socialist ideal.

It all depends on what you want in a politician.

WOW....saying one thing and doing another. This has been Obama since he has been elected. Color me suprised!


The reason that the meetings are classified are because they can't release the tapes of Obama extorting the coal miners just like Gangsters do.


DUH.





[edit on 21-6-2009 by bismarcksea]

Obama's entire life is a closed, locked and sealed book. It has been since day one and his well paid lawyers have seen to that. How anyone thought he would run his administration differently is beyond me.

Be very afraid of the day when the dark cloak actually comes off of Obama. It will not be pretty.

Obama did campaign on openness. no openness so far. he campaigned on bringing home the troops. troops aren't home from iraq; more troops sent to afghanistan tough no actual plan that i know of. campaigned on transparency, allowing people to see content of bills before the vote. not so far. new stuff: taking over industries; giving more power to the fed. so far this is a continuation of the bush presidency except for appointments of "czars" with no accountability to facilitate the power grab and bringing in the main broadcast networks as arms of the government while "punishing" fox by refusal of access because they present critics as well as proponents of obama policies.

if this was going on anywhere else, america would be encouraging revolution to these oppressed people.

there has been a trend for some time of having movie and tv people "handle" presidential campaigns and staff the PR sections. This administration has taken it to a whole new level. The people who refer to the obama administration as a reality show are literally correct. every detail of every thing is managed carefully for its message. We've learned that michelle's image is incredibly carefully managed to the last detail to make her nonthreatening and popular because she ultimately wants to participate in policy decisions but doesn't want the firestorm hillary got. we know obama's speeches are carefully worked out with NLP techniques that were powerful during the election, possibly next now.

what we don't know is how people really feel about all this. the media: tv and newspapers, magazines, entertainment industry keep telling us these folks are rock stars beloved of all people and doing a fabulous job, fascinating beyond reason, etc but there is no way of knowing if the actual people of this country feel that way.

i've heard a few friends say--friends who totally believed in obama and voted for him--this is not what i had in mind when i voted for him. i'm not sure people are buying the reality show being broadcast, but it's hard to say.

i am not surprised to hear from the illinois folks that they knew what he was. how could anyone who rose up through the chicago political machine be open? that is impossible? how could people have believed that he did this but was "clean"?

maybe this program has switched from reality show to video game. the obama white house video game. what next?