reply to post by Xtinguish
I'd just like to say that not everyone of us believe that our rights are given to us by our "creator".
I believe my rights are "inherent". That means they are a part of me. I exist, therefore I have rights. I've had them since the very first breath I
took. Nobody gave them to me. Nobody can take them away.
My consciousness is the source of my rights.
I don't really think that the factors of religion are beneficial to this topic as it relates to constitutions, laws and liberty.
The source of rights is not that relevant so long as we all understand that we have them and what they are. And also that rights once realized, cannot
be taken away... ever. Only one's liberty to exercise said rights can be taken/lost.
One's liberty can be taken/lost by physical handicap/restraint, or voluntary forfeiture due to many reasons including "laws", "taxes",
threat/fear of force, "morals", "religion" and so on.
Murder is as close as any one can come to taking away my rights, because when I die I will no longer have consciousness or physical ability to
exercise any rights. But my rights will still not have been taken, only my liberty to live. My rights will just cease to exist.
It seems to me that most people when speaking of rights, are actually speaking of liberty.
I wonder how different would the world be if for example, the Second Amendment had been written like this:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the liberty of the people to exercise their right to keep and bear Arms,
shall not be infringed.
I would have written it something like this:
A well armed society, being necessary for the security (protection) of freedom, the liberty of the people to exercise their individual right to
keep and bear arms shall not be infringed (encroached upon).
The wording of the U.S. Constitution too often leads people to believe that the constitution itself grants people the rights covered in the document
just as it grants rights to the government that it creates, even though it clearly states:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
I suppose that is the source of belief that rights are "God given".
I believe I was created by nature (naturally). The same way every other thing on the planet came into existence (excluding man made objects, of
The point is that every person is born with rights. Rights that are inherent and unalienable.
These rights aren't unalienable because the Constitution says so, the Constitution says so because the authors understood that rights are
If you still cannot understand this, well then I regret that I am not able to articulate it in such a way as to enlighten you.