Originally posted by Bm2211
This just goes to show that Obama is continuning "Bush/Chinney" politics. Come on guys Barrack is not stupid, we all know this and he knows where the money is and how to get it...at the same time keeps the pay-role going for his Army, AirForce, Navy and marines!

Actually, quite the contrary.

Think the U.S. is the only country orchestrating coups? The most recent coup, actually happened here, in the U.S.

$400 million, from the CIA, to fund the currently Revolution? You betcha.

How much was funneled to Obama's campaign? How in the world did such a person, with no political background or political lineage, raise that much money?

We had a coup, here in America, only it was a very silent and very well played out.

While I'm not a 'everything's black &/or white' kind of gal, lean more to 'shades of gray", sometimes it's easier to explain things on a 'Black or white", Good or Evil, Right or Left level.

So, using the 'Black or White' to explain what's currently going on and having to put people and events into perspective; Barack (and his financial backers, his administration, and even the Clintons) are on one side of the coin and Bush (Cheney, CIA, top military Officials) are on the other.

Now, bring this up to speed with the current situation in Iran. The Bush team would be tied to the Revolutionary side (protesters, Mousavi, etc) and the Obama team would be tied to the Ayatollah side (Ahamdenejad,
Revolutionary Guard, etc).

I'll stop here, for now....

Starting to get it, yet?

I just hope if the OP is correct that we get a good return on our 400 million investment and government collapses and they form something better for the world.

400 million is a lot cheaper than a few trillion.

Is it any wonder why there are so many (so-called) terrorists that want to kill us all? Our own government is going to get us all killed if they continue all this interference within all these other nations. I'm surprised we haven't been nuked yet, but I suppose it's just a matter of time. Who would have believed our greatest threat would be our own government!

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Think the U.S. is the only country orchestrating coups? The most recent coup, actually happened here, in the U.S.

$400 million, from the CIA, to fund the currently Revolution? You betcha.

How much was funneled to Obama's campaign? How in the world did such a person, with no political background or political lineage, raise that much money?

We had a coup, here in America, only it was a very silent and very well played out.

I though that while things were happening last year. The flood of anonymous donations online was something that got little scrutiny.

But, truth to tell, every 4 years the Republicans and Democrats trot out their candidates for the public auction. Hillary Clinton ran a tight close second in the Democratic bidding war.

Obama had the tacit backing of George Soros, known for benefiting in the economic woes of powers and currencies.

I see it more that the powers who use the US admin as facilitators for their needs try to ensure their interests by making certain a compliant candidate with election winning appeal ends up in the White House.

No real coup. Same old government, different studio, just a new actor in the leading man role.

Mike




[edit on 21-6-2009 by mmiichael]

So now the crap begins LOL. Let's say it is true. If we did (CIA) support the Iranian protesters with 4 million dollars - so what. That money is nothing compared to what could happen to these people if they want to challange the world on a global bases. If I were a Iranian citizen I wouldn't want those in power looking for a useless unwinnable fight - no way - can you blame them.

Has anyone notice the protesters are not armed? I kind of think if they were it would be all over all ready. This is just a look at the future for America if we had to do the same to a corrupt government - dah!.

This whole Iranian protest stands for more than one issue. It gives us all a look at what can happen to a countries (government) morals and drive for peace and prosperity. I don't care how bad the unemployment is over there (reported 30%) - no in this world wants a nuclear war any more - them included.

Like I said - so what if we gave $4 million dollars (CIA) to the protesting cause? Think of the ending in the big picture? What would you personall want if you lived there? This war crap has to stop some place.

We can't be sure

The source has a good of a guess just as we do...>.>

Reply to Majorion,

Thanks for replying, you say torture is real but when compared to other issues it is only small. This sounds right; vote-rigging, murder, extreme corruption and other areas I have not even thought of, and in the case of Iran, possible interference in elections. Secondly you said things about disclosure that made sense, it would seem sensible that not everything is suitable for disclosure (addresses, bank details, real security issues) but you hinted that we do need some higher level of disclosure that may happen in the future. By disclosure I guess I mean that governments should not have so many secrets, for is it not true 'A person (or government) who tells the truth, as no fears.'

Always see everything





[edit on 21-6-2009 by yyyyyyyyyy]

Come on, where does all this garbage about Iran challenging the world come from? They havent threatened anyone, and have not attacked another nation in 300 years. I dont think anyone can throw stones at them for their "aggressive nature"....its virtually nonexistant. So ahmadinejad makes some fiery rhetoric, so what? he's not their leader, more equivalent to Pat Roberts here who has threatened and urged assassinations of other countries leaders... you dont see other countries lining up to attack us over the statements made by him. Khameini is the leader, and he has threatened no one.

Further, even if the incorrect and propagandistic translation of what ahmadinejad said is to be taken as fact.....saying "such and such should die" is a far cry from saying "we will be attacking you"....further, the israeli's have said multiple times that they will, that is WILL attack iran if the US doesnt, and further that they consider doing it with a nuclear first strike. That is the most belligerent statement one can make in this world.

Excellent New!!!
This is much better than overt military action, as overt military action would disrupt up to 40% of the world's oil production (all possibly at a time of recession).
It also kills too many civilians, and also takes years to work, yet breads domestic discontent.

If "one man man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" then Iran is one few of the few countries on earth to have had no terrorists at all since 1979!!!

However...
In a country where women (i.e. male property) still get arrested for not wearing that sacred rag-cloth thing, that Muslims wear (I think it's called a turbine!) The fact the U.S has spent a mere 400 million dollars (out of it's total anural defence budget of 651.2 billion) on sponsoring peaceful protest is good news.
But that's only if it's true!!! (The money could easily have been spent on e.g. missiles instead) as the Iranians-totalitarians would still claim America supported the opposition for the simple reason that it discredits them, and they have no problem telling lies to do this.
After all democracy isn't something the IoweUnuclear views as Iran's cultures creation (not surprisingly given he would evidently easily loose a democratic election without tactics such as vote rigging).

Wait I thought it was death to the UK?
So now the finger of blame is back on the US?
Remember, when you point a finger 3 fingers are pointing right back at you.

It just seem's they are desperately trying to convince the Iranian protesters that its 'the evil west at work' because they are grasping at straws.
Revolution is a good thing for Iran, This world could be so much better and when people start saying no and risking their own lives to overthrow evil governments then the world gets just a little bit closer to relative peace.

Lets see other countries follow suit, yes including ours.

This makes me wonder, if the US did indeed spend 400m to promote peaceful protest against the evil government then who will pay the American people to do the same?
Every where I turn I see "Obama, anti-christ" "second amendment in jeopardy" "Evil injections to kill us all" "swine flu man made to kill us"
and so on.

I wouldn't mind a slice of 400mil to protest either.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by keepithush]

Who said the US paid 400 million to support peaceful protest? I think the term George Bush used when he blatantly stated it during his term was to "destabilize" the country in order to bring down the regime. The CIA rarely resorts to peaceful protest.

Originally posted by Liberal1984
The fact the U.S has spent a mere 400 million dollars (out of it's total anural defence budget of 651.2 billion) on sponsoring peaceful protest is good news.

Why would anyone need to spend any money on this anyhow? Ya mean, the Iranians wouldn't have shown up to to protest and riot because they all preferred to sit at home watching "Who Wants to be the next VANITY Star!" on the teevee (like here in the USA) instead of protesting their outrage on their own streets? What in the heck could the CIA have spend 400 million on? Were they hiring protesters at $100 a day to do the riot thang? Did they spend it on billboard advertising "Riot Tomorrow and earn $100 a day doing so. Call 1-800-CIA-CRAP for hiring info!" ??? If this is true, I'm more outraged that the taxpayers of our country have been jacked once again, and for what? To create more anger and hostility against ourselves? Waterboard these CIA monkeys, they are endangering us all with their shenanigans! No wonder there are terrorists out to get us in this world.

I can't think of many better ways of spending $400 million than trying to free an entire country from the clutches of a theocratic dictatorship.

The CIA have done terrible things in the past and I don't for one second believe they would be doing this from anything other than self-interest but for once their goals actually seem to align with the greater good of an oppressed people.

It makes me feel dirty to say it but i'm behind them if this is their plan.

Nah I don't think the CIA seen this coming. But then again they played with other peoples elections before hell even with there supposed allies! But with friends like america who needs enemy's, am I right?

2 million in 1953 ... now 400 million ... go figure ... inflation ...
they dont forget and they dont forgive ... are you sure you want to
mess with these people.... ?