Iran finds US-backed MKO fingermarks in riots, page 9

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Ah but you see, there are too many people in the world, and in these forums who can't understand the fact that there are millions of Iranians who want change. These people always have to claim "the big bad U.S. is behind it" even when they have no proof, only claims, exagerations, and even lies.

The U.S. itself is being turned inside out, and many Socialist policies are being implemented, these same people who love to blame, and bash the U.S. for everything, think these changes are for good, but apparenlty they can't understand that whent here is more STATE control, people have less control, and Socialism gives more control to the STATE, and not to the PEOPLE.

What does US domestic policy have to do with this? I for one will tell you that many Americans, who view the world much differently than you, also do not agree with Obama. Try and refrain from the broad assumptions. I also don't see the connection of the two?

Do you have proof that the Iranians alone are behind it? Assuming you don't, why would you believe them more likely to be? Knowing that the US would have so much to gain by controlling Iran's government, and the fact that they have overthrown them in the past (as I've already shown here www.abovetopsecret.com...), what is it that confuses you about the idea? Further even still when the event time line of 1953 parallels the events now? "Operation Ajax" also began with an unprecedented, landslide victory for the unpopular candidate that boiled over into a mass protest? How could anyone, even slightly intelligent, not be suspicious?

The U.S. is not the country that has meddled the most with others, but of course people like you have been indoctrinated into believing this, so the changes that are now happening are accepted by Americans such as you.

How do you come to such conclusions? Where are your facts that the US is this peaceful nation that refrains from meddling in others? There are no facts due to all your info is ludicrous! The US is in a constant state of meddling and bullying. You are critically delusional if you actually believe anything you've said? America is less than 200 years old and has already attacked almost every country worth the effort. Iran is nearly 5000 years old and has never attacked even one! Below is a list of countries bombed since the end of WWII. I hope it can help you understand how foolish you sound right now?

List of countries the USA has bombed since the end of World War II

China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Belgian
Congo 1964
Guatemala 1964
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983-84
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1981-92
Nicaragua 1981-90
Libya 1986
Iran 1987-88
Libya 1989
Panama 1989-90
Iraq 1991-2002
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994 (of Serbs at Krajina)
Bosnia 1995
Iran 1998 (airliner)
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001-02
www.btinternet.com...

Deaths In Other Nations Since WW II Due To Us Interventions

The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.
www.countercurrents.org...

The US is estimated to have caused between 20 and 30 million deaths since 1945!! Exactly what other country do you think can account for even half that? You my friend need to take a better look into history and your knowledge, or lack, of it!

Because someone disagrees with the policies of their government doesn't make them a hater of their country. Actually, calling them out on their wrongdoings is what being patriotic is all about. Kissing their ass for it only makes you an ass kisser. All that gets you is humiliation and shame. Oh, and maybe a little mud in the eye? So pull your pants up and go wash your face. Learn a little truth while you're at it!

Peace.

Originally posted by Zerbst


The US is estimated to have caused between 20 and 30 million deaths since 1945!! Exactly what other country do you think can account for even half that? You my friend need to take a better look into history and your knowledge, or lack, of it!

Stalin's Purges

Under the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin, tens of millions of ordinary individuals were executed or imprisoned in labour camps that were little more than death camps. Perceived political orientation was the key variable in these mass atrocities. But gender played an important role, and in many respects the Purge period of Soviet history can be considered the worst gendercide of the twentieth century.

Originally posted by MegaCurious


I figured that something was fishy about the "demonstrations".

This Moussavi dude doesn't take losing elections very lightly either.

Why these folks would want to over throw their "Ayatollah" is totally beyond me. No news source has given a valid reason for that. But after Obama chimed in with his "will of the people" nonsense, then something just clearly didn't feel right.. because America never follows the "will of the people"

www.presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

I was confused for a long time, how can the opposition who was one of the founders of the original revolution be behind all these protests. He is not much different then Ahmadinajad.

It sounded fishy all along, I'm sure this won't be given much attention at all here in ATS or anywhere else for that fact.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Actually if you talk about possibilities then US definitely have the highest probability of orchestrating this due to the fact that they have done it before. Due to the fact that America has surrounded Iran in the past 8 years by invading 2 of its neighbours. Due to the fact that America still has full support for the nation of Israel and regards any threat to Israel as a threat against America. Due to the fact that since the Shah was kicked America has been supporting terrorists groups like the ones in Pakistan to fight against Iran.

I can add many more 'due to the fact' commentaries here which would increase the possibility of America orchestrating this violence compared to other countries.

I am very skeptical about this report considering the source.

Macleans aritcle on PressTV

Most of Press TV's news reports are factually accurate. Even the appointment of William Elliott as the new RCMP commissioner is covered. But errors, presumably intentional, are also published. One story on the website, for example, claims that the Lebanese government is trying to convert the Nahr al-Bared Palestinian refugee camp into an American military base, but provides no evidence to back up this allegation.

Press TV is funded by the Iranian government. I would not consider them to be impartial or reliable at all.

However, that does not preclude the possibility of US involvement in destabilization. I'm sure there are many of TPTB that are infuriated over their inability to draw Iran into open confrontation and their failure of the dis-information campaign they waged over the Iranian nuclear power program.

This is an ugly muddled mess and very little would surprise me.

Iran hits out at 'meddling West,' acknowledges ballot discrepancy

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran on Monday accused the West of "meddling" in its disputed presidential election even as its election authority reportedly acknowledged that the number of ballots cast in dozens of cities exceeded the number of eligible voters in those areas.

Speaking to reporters, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hasan Qashqavi alleged that foreign media organizations, such as CNN and BBC, were mouthpieces of their respective governments that were exaggerating reports of police clashes with protesters who have demonstrated daily since the June 12 race.

It still surprises me to see how well American propaganda works . . .
- in America.

How The US armed Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons


A 1994 US Senate report revealed that US companies were licenced by the commerce department to export a “witch's brew” of biological and chemical materials, including bacillus anthracis (which causes anthrax) and clostridium botulinum (the source of botulism). The American Type Culture Collection made 70 shipments of the anthrax bug and other pathogenic agents.

The report also noted that US exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare facilities and chemical warhead filling equipment. US firms supplied advanced and specialised computers, lasers, testing and analysing equipment. Among the better-known companies were Hewlett Packard, Unisys, Data General and Honeywell.
. . . . . . . .

On March 16, 1988, Iraqi forces launched a poison gas attack on the Iraqi Kurdish village of Halabja, killing 5000 people (Using "crop-spraying" helicopters obtained from the US.) While that attack is today being touted by senior US officials as one of the main reasons why Hussein must now be “taken out”, at the time Washington's response to the atrocity was much more relaxed.

Just four months later, Washington stood by as the US giant Bechtel corporation won the contract to build a huge petrochemical plant that would give the Hussein regime the capacity to generate chemical weapons.

On September 8, 1988, the US Senate passed the Prevention of Genocide Act, which would have imposed sanctions on the Hussein regime. Immediately, the Reagan administration announced its opposition to the bill, calling it “premature”. The White House used its influence to stall the bill in the House of Representatives. When Congress did eventually pass the bill, the White House did not implement it.

America interferes in other countries whenever its leaders see any benefit to themselves.

America put Saddam into power, just as it put the theocracy in Iran into power.

America encouraged the war between Iran and Iraq in order to weaken both and make it easier to later take over the Middle East.

America armed Saddam, even providing him with precursers for chemical weapons, training for Iraq in making them and equipment for making and distributing.

America was happy to make money out of Saddam gassing the Kurds.

When Saddam's usefulness was over, America happily stabbed him in the back and destroyed the civilised, Westernised society he had built up.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Zerbst


The US is estimated to have caused between 20 and 30 million deaths since 1945!! Exactly what other country do you think can account for even half that? You my friend need to take a better look into history and your knowledge, or lack, of it!

Stalin's Purges

Under the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin, tens of millions of ordinary individuals were executed or imprisoned in labour camps that were little more than death camps. Perceived political orientation was the key variable in these mass atrocities. But gender played an important role, and in many respects the Purge period of Soviet history can be considered the worst gendercide of the twentieth century.

Im not sure of the purpose of this response - the Gulag Archipelago is one of the greatest works ever written - I doubt very much you have read it - either way there is no doubt they were horrendous, as were the mass starvations in the Ukraine - however these of these human tragedies comes close to the maelstrom of US global genocide - so why post it ?

The reality is that the US has actually been overtly and covertly involved in WELL over 170 foreign engagements since the end of the second world war - Chalmers Johnson - "Nemesis" and "Blow Back".

True numbers would be far above 30 million - there are currently 5 million missing in Iraq - no casualties are recorded for non servicemen in the US military and 70% of all personell are non military - you don't even count your own dead - what sort of country are you ?

The point is - THE USSR was never claiming the kind of benevolent status the US does - the hypocracy and underhandedness of the US slaughter is what makes it so vile.

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