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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:33 PM
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Hmmm, held a secret clearance years ago and you are wrong. We have a serious agenda out in the world. It just boggles my mind that some people will try to present info to backup their story and some just go rah rah with gibberish. Humanity truly perplexes me.

So much effort to control thought and imprison the soul. How shameful of humanity as a whole. The worst thing of all is to see people, who are putting into prison themselves and everybody else, so willing to sing the tune they do. Surely, evil is abroad and gaining.

I'd say the same thing that I did about the "Oh so right" people who couldn't wait to bomb the Iraqi people into the stone age for flying planes into our world trade towers (they didn't btw). If you are so eager for Iran's demise go and help.

I'm also curious, who here has lived in Iran? If so, back it up with some form of proof.




posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Amagnon
How do you think you get support for people to overthrow their government? You find the most disenfranchised group - and start muttering about the injustices enacted against them - you need to raise as much popular support as you can - then of course you find poor people - they are ALWAYS going to willing to act against the government - especially if you pay them.


Or you can run a bad government that alienates the masses, takes away their hopes and freedom, makes them endure a way of life they don't want.

I now it's something of a revelation to some on a conspiracy site, but the US, CIA, Israel, Britain, the media, corporations, NWO, et al, are not sitting at a big boardroom moving 6 billion pieces around on a giant chessboard.

The real world is full of men and women with their own thoughts and ambitions everywhere. They are capable of independent thoughts and actions. They look after their own interests, respond to local circumstances, communicate with each other, and take actions into their own hands when they see the need.

Mike



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
China actually invaded Tibet, and people are still murdered just for trying to escape...

Venezuela, Iran, and several are instigating wars all over the world to spread their "revolutions" and their propaganda, yet apart all this and more you still want to blame it all on the U.S.

I stand by what i said, you are a lying hypocrite, nothing more, nothing less.




China and US, who murdered more people? (Hint: google 1 million Iraqi death)

Tell us a war that Venezuela and Iran instigated? I guess we all known who caused those wars happening in the world.

So who is a lying hypocrite?



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
Or you can run a bad government that alienates the masses, takes away their hopes and freedom, makes them endure a way of life they don't want.

I now it's something of a revelation to some on a conspiracy site, but the US, CIA, Israel, Britain, the media, corporations, NWO, et al, are not sitting at a big boardroom moving 6 billion pieces around on a giant chessboard.

The real world is full of men and women with their own thoughts and ambitions everywhere. They are capable of independent thoughts and actions. They look after their own interests, respond to local circumstances, communicate with each other, and take actions into their own hands when they see the need.

Mike


I don't see many of these people at all. If they were there we'd live in a different world. I see people that will go along with any agenda to be accepted or to be rewarded. The most simple mechanisms of humanity are frightening as to how we will end as a species. Like Idiocracy so many people want to go along with their peer group and not think. Thinking is hard. If you tell the people a lie they wish to hear they will love you. Truths are much harder to tell because you will be fought all along the way. It's been that way throughout all of history. "The world is round", "that guys gotta die says the powers that be". "Love they neighbor", "We're gonna have to nail him to a cross". "I have a dream", "I think it's bullet time".

It goes on and on and on. Based on my knowledge I wouldn't knee jerk the reaction to these elections. I would wait to gather more information because something feels amiss about this. I will be accused for saying this and the cheerleaders will come out in mass but I believe in subduing the emotional reaction and waiting to see what is going on a little bit better. Something I do know is that we have them surrounded on both sides via Iraq and Afghanistan and that isn't just some form of cosmic dice roll. That was intentional. What I fear is that they are trying to whip up public support for yet another intervention if a foreign country. Then yet again, we will work evil in the supposed name of good. Many people are ok with that, I'm not.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Middle East

A POLEMIC
Germany's leading role in arming Iraq
By Marc Erikson
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In 1991, Iraq fired dozens of Scud missiles at Israel and threatened to arm the missiles with poison-gas and biological warheads. Most of the contents of those warheads were made in Germany or made with the aid of German engineers and technology
. In light of German history, can Herr Schroeder countenance the possibility of a future poison gas attack on Israel (or anyone else) facilitated by German know-how? Schroeder may not want to go to war. So be it. But he should regard it as his most solemn obligation to do his absolute damnedest to make sure that in the future "good Germans" don't once again stand there and say: "We didn't know."

Friedbert Pflueger, foreign policy spokesman of the main opposition Christian Democratic parties and an embittered critic of Schroeder's and Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer's Iraq policy, last Thursday accused the red-green coalition government of deliberately keeping the German and world public uninformed of BND (German foreign intelligence service) evidence and assessments on the continued existence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). "If we trust our [intelligence] services, and I do, then we know that there exist weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," said Pflueger, and referred to a November 13, 2002, BND briefing of members of parliament's foreign affairs committee in which relevant information was disclosed. As a member of parliament, added Pflueger, he was bound by his secrecy oath not to pass on such information, but challenged Schroeder to make it public forthwith. This was necessary, he said, "so that Herr Schroeder cannot continue to spread the impression that the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is a figment of George W Bush's imagination". He said further that he would dearly like to know exactly how many different types of smallpox virus were in Iraq's possession as - during a November 13 budget committee meeting - Health Minister Ulla Schmidt had motivated her request for a several million euro allocation for the purchase of smallpox vaccine with reference to such Iraqi stocks. Well, Gerhard, why's your minister worried? Or do vaccine purchases fall into the category of economic stimulus for the pharmaceutical industry?
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The list in Iraq's 1998/current chemical weapons declaration contains 31 "major suppliers", 14 from Germany. The 1996/current nuclear suppliers list has 62 company names on it, 33 from Germany. As Iraq claims that since 1991 it has not engaged in WMD production, the lists name no post-Gulf War suppliers. Call it old news. So much the sillier that the UN refuses to make them public. But since the BND claims that deliveries did not stop at the end of the Gulf War as well as simply as a matter of record of German complicity in arming Iraq, the issue remains an urgent current concern.

www.atimes.com...

But hey, people like BSBray want to blame it all on the U.S.... That's without mentioning that the gas which Saddam's regime used against the kurds came once again from GERMANY... But of course, most Eurpeans and even blinded brainwashed Americans like BSBray like to blame the U.S. for all, despite the actual facts.

I don't want to make a big thread out of this, but when people like BSbray like to lie, and want to blame everything on the U.S. i won't stand around and allow him to lie through his teeth.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Apollumi

Hmmm, held a secret clearance years ago and you are wrong. We have a serious agenda out in the world. It just boggles my mind that some people will try to present info to backup their story and some just go rah rah with gibberish. Humanity truly perplexes me.


BS, there is no point in claiming you "had a secret clearance", and if you did it probably had nothing to do with any of this.

Everyone has a "serious agenda out in the world"...you need at least two to tango, and again when someone like yourself just want to blame it on the U.S. it shows your agenda is anti-western.



Originally posted by Apollumi
I'd say the same thing that I did about the "Oh so right" people who couldn't wait to bomb the Iraqi people into the stone age for flying planes into our world trade towers (they didn't btw). If you are so eager for Iran's demise go and help.

I'm also curious, who here has lived in Iran? If so, back it up with some form of proof.


I wasn't so willing to bomb Iraq into the stone age, and again there were many reasons given for going there.

As for going to Iraq and help, I already served in the U.S. military so i don't need your lame excuse trying to blame the U.S. and with all the BS you just stated i can bet with certainty you have never held any secret clearance, or even served.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by bluepanic

China and US, who murdered more people? (Hint: google 1 million Iraqi death)


These are the kind of lies that people like to keep telling yet they know nothing about.

First of all most of the death in Iraq had been at the hands of terrorists/insurgents, which is why most tribes in Iraq, and even outside of Iraq have turned against the insurgents and have been fighting what the Lefties like to call "freedom fighters"...

Second of all there is no evidence at all but claims about "a million" people having died in Iraq from the attacks.


Originally posted by bluepanic
Tell us a war that Venezuela and Iran instigated? I guess we all known who caused those wars happening in the world.

So who is a lying hypocrite?


oh boy, another one of those who likes to spew some fumes against the U.S. yet can't tell the difference between facts, and lies.

Venezuela has been arming the FARC, and provided money as well as training to those terrorists who are doing nothing more than taking simple Colombians as hostages, and they arm anyone and everyone who is anti-western.

It has been known for a long time that Iran is behind many of the insurgents who are in Iraq.

if you really want to talk about millions of people murdered, then you should be talking about the Sudanese government having sanctioned two Jihads in Sudan, first in the 80s against Christians in which 2 million Christians were murdered by the Arab militias, and then in 2003, when a second Jihad was sanctioned by the Islamic government of Sudan, and by which at least 500,000 black non-Arabs have been murdered and millions have been displaced...



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:31 PM
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I'm not buying either side entirely because I smell something funky and I cant put my finger on it..

I believe the people of Iran do want change bad enough to protest but the angle from the western MSM just puts a spin on things and clouds my judgement on this situation. All I know is I'm pro people all the way and I will support whatever the Iranian people are fighting for because it looks like they want it bad enough and it does look like they are fighting for their freedoms and rights. Good for them! I hope people in America will do the same thing when push comes to shove.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by disfugured]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Apollumi

I don't see many of these people at all. If they were there we'd live in a different world. I see people that will go along with any agenda to be accepted or to be rewarded. The most simple mechanisms of humanity are frightening as to how we will end as a species. Like Idiocracy so many people want to go along with their peer group and not think. Thinking is hard. If you tell the people a lie they wish to hear they will love you. Truths are much harder to tell because you will be fought all along the way. It's been that way throughout all of history.

[...]

Something I do know is that we have them surrounded on both sides via Iraq and Afghanistan and that isn't just some form of cosmic dice roll. That was intentional. What I fear is that they are trying to whip up public support for yet another intervention if a foreign country



We live in the same world but observe different things and come to different conclusions.

Studies have shown that something like 5% of any population, 1 in 20, are truly capable of independent thought and action. Call them leaders, the bosses, the movers and shakers, the organizers.

Iran has something 3 and a half million of them. Enough to change the country when they decide to. Right now they're connecting with each other, making plans, seeing what's possible, if the time is right, etc.

The other 65 million will wait to see which way the wind blows. Who looks like they've got the upper hand. Who to follow.

If momentum can be reached by the movers, you'll see a shift of people power.

On a conspiracy site you hear doom and gloom scenarios, paranoia, endless negative talk, Nothing good ever happens. Nothing good ever will happen. The bad guys control everything. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

The US can't afford another war. Nobody can these days. They're too expensive to fight, too expensive to clean up, and the benefits aren't what they were thought to be.

Iranians are fortunate. They're swimming in oil. The Americans have removed a leader in next door Iraq who waged a war with them where millions died unnecessarily.

They have a high culture, good education system, and are smart people. too smart to let a bunch of religious old men tell them how to live any more. This is going to be a generational war, and one that puts another nail in the coffin of rule by religion.

This is 2009, a bad year for the global economy. Major players want a good price on oil, to work on resolving domestic an financial concerns, and no new threats to peace. Iran is positioned to fulfill it's potential on the world stage. To come out of the 12th Century into the 21st.

Still too early to tell how it's going to play out. The old men in power won't give it up so easily. But the clock moves forward, not back.


Mike



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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don't know if this has been posted yet, but:

Are the Iranian Protests Another US Orchestrated "Color Revolution?



On May 23, 2007, Brian Ross and Richard Esposito reported on ABC News: “The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert “black” operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell ABC News.”

On May 27, 2007, the London Telegraph independently reported: “Mr. Bush has signed an official document endorsing CIA plans for a propaganda and disinformation campaign intended to destabilize, and eventually topple, the theocratic rule of the mullahs.”

A few days previously, the Telegraph reported on May 16, 2007, that Bush administration neocon warmonger John Bolton told the Telegraph that a US military attack on Iran would “be a ‘last option’ after economic sanctions and attempts to foment a popular revolution had failed.”

On June 29, 2008, Seymour Hersh reported in the New Yorker: “Late last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the country’s religious leadership.”



[edit on Sun Jun 21st 2009 by geek101]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
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They have a high culture, good education system, and are smart people. too smart to let a bunch of religious old men tell them how to live any more. This is going to be a generational war, and one that puts another nail in the coffin of rule by religion.

This is 2009, a bad year for the global economy. Major players want a good price on oil, to work on resolving domestic an financial concerns, and no new threats to peace. Iran is positioned to fulfill it's potential on the world stage. To come out of the 12th Century into the 21st.

Still too early to tell how it's going to play out. The old men in power won't give it up so easily. But the clock moves forward, not back.
Mike


Ah but you see, there are too many people in the world, and in these forums who can't understand the fact that there are millions of Iranians who want change. These people always have to claim "the big bad U.S. is behind it" even when they have no proof, only claims, exagerations, and even lies.

The U.S. itself is being turned inside out, and many Socialist policies are being implemented, these same people who love to blame, and bash the U.S. for everything, think these changes are for good, but apparenlty they can't understand that whent here is more STATE control, people have less control, and Socialism gives more control to the STATE, and not to the PEOPLE.

I knew a couple of Iranian engineers working in the U.S. One was pro-western, the other was anti-western and the anti-western kept bashing and blaming everything on the U.S. He was working on another department and i never got to hear the things he would say, but from what I hear he was fired because he hated the U.S. and was constantly making hate speeches during work hours. He also blames the U.S., as well as Israel for most of the world's problems, which is what many people around here do.

There are a bunch of people around the world who have been indoctrinated into hating the western world, and that's all they do, and this even includes Americans who don't know yet what they are losing.

"Change" can also be for worse, and the U.S. is being turned into something much worse than it ever was, yet many Americans are cheering for this "change".

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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But hey, people like BSBray want to blame it all on the U.S.... That's without mentioning that the gas which Saddam's regime used against the kurds came once again from GERMANY... But of course, most Eurpeans and even blinded brainwashed Americans like BSBray like to blame the U.S. for all, despite the actual facts.


December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq.
1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments.

November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran.

November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act.

November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians.

December 20, 1983. Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support.

July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops.

January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application.

March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons.

May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax.

May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq.

March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua.

Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq.

February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages.

April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas.

August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925.

September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq.

September, 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives."

December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons.

July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians.

August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime.

June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]."

July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House.

February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome.

August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times.
view-source:www.iranchamber.com...


You're joking, right?



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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Have you even bothered looking at the source for your information?
You gotta be kidding right?



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:11 AM
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This is such BS! The people have acted on their own, Iran's gov can't stand it that no matter how hard they try to keep the world from seeing that their people, their youth, want a new chance, a new government, they want Freedom, and peace. Don't believe this crap news.

[edit on 22-6-2009 by space cadet]



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Apollumi

Hmmm, held a secret clearance years ago and you are wrong. We have a serious agenda out in the world. It just boggles my mind that some people will try to present info to backup their story and some just go rah rah with gibberish. Humanity truly perplexes me.


BS, there is no point in claiming you "had a secret clearance", and if you did it probably had nothing to do with any of this.

Everyone has a "serious agenda out in the world"...you need at least two to tango, and again when someone like yourself just want to blame it on the U.S. it shows your agenda is anti-western.



Originally posted by Apollumi
I'd say the same thing that I did about the "Oh so right" people who couldn't wait to bomb the Iraqi people into the stone age for flying planes into our world trade towers (they didn't btw). If you are so eager for Iran's demise go and help.

I'm also curious, who here has lived in Iran? If so, back it up with some form of proof.


I wasn't so willing to bomb Iraq into the stone age, and again there were many reasons given for going there.

As for going to Iraq and help, I already served in the U.S. military so i don't need your lame excuse trying to blame the U.S. and with all the BS you just stated i can bet with certainty you have never held any secret clearance, or even served.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



I only told the truth but I expected no less. The clearance applies to this because I witnessed the same type of thing. In the news we had no involvement but in that tent (out in the middle of the woods) were three and four star generals that had plenty of involvement. I walked away from that in a daze. Our news means nothing, it's an illusion. The only way somebody could ignore prevalent truths is being lovers of a lie. As far as I can tell that is the majority of people these days. There are very few I see concerned about the greater truth. Not long ago it was the so called "Right Wing", the republicans and they would shout down any truth you told and try hard as they might to accuse you. But I see these people surfacing again in other ways and places.

What does Sadam wanting to gas the Israelis have to do with going in and killing and causing to be killed thousands upon thousands of Iraqis on false pretense? Methinks I've hear this beast scream before.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by Apollumi

I don't see many of these people at all. If they were there we'd live in a different world. I see people that will go along with any agenda to be accepted or to be rewarded. The most simple mechanisms of humanity are frightening as to how we will end as a species. Like Idiocracy so many people want to go along with their peer group and not think. Thinking is hard. If you tell the people a lie they wish to hear they will love you. Truths are much harder to tell because you will be fought all along the way. It's been that way throughout all of history.


it's great the way you put words to try to explain those ideas

i am sincerely sorry if it does offend you guys that are trying to argue with that text, and don't take it too personally: you are 100% missing the ultimate point raised by Apollumi.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

As for going to Iraq and help, I already served in the U.S. military so i don't need your lame excuse trying to blame the U.S. and with all the BS you just stated i can bet with certainty you have never held any secret clearance, or even served.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]


Yep, held a secret clearance. Was in for 4 and extended for a year for a total of five years. Served in the Marines. 5th award rifle expert (248 out of 250 last time at qualification). Was also sgt of the guard for the anti terrorist squad where I was stationed at. Back when Regan was the president and Bush (old man) was vice president. Got out not long after general Gray became Commandant. Used to make a lot of trips to the pentagon, navy annex, naval imaging center.

I've been to most of the European nations, and Egypt, Turkey, South America.

I would say that at best you are lacking and severely uninformed. You may be who you say you are, I don't know. But I wouldn't argue it nor accuse of not being so because I don't know. I served my country and I love my country. I don't love the swarm of liars and accusers trying to take it over though. To me, they bed the devil every night. I would defend my country and its Constitution because wise men put down in writing the rules which would keep us free if only we followed them passionately and sought our fellows freedom as our own.

And to the Corps "Semper Fidelis".... My dress greens still hang in my closet, my ribbons are still neatly lined up and my chevrons show no brass.

I am what I say I am. If another be liar let him still be so.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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Either way the US/Israel are winning this one. A disabled government mean they can move more CIA assests in and gain more power.

Problem Reaction Solution.

Now they found a way to control Iran without a single bullet shot.

I believe now their is going to be no mention of the US planning a attack on Iran, now they can just focus on the North Korea issue.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:49 AM
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Man this is getting complicated, at the expense of the Iranian people. I just hope whoever did dirty jobs in this whole mess are punished.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
But hey, people like BSBray want to blame it all on the U.S.... That's without mentioning that the gas which Saddam's regime used against the kurds came once again from GERMANY... But of course, most Eurpeans and even blinded brainwashed Americans like BSBray like to blame the U.S. for all, despite the actual facts.

I don't want to make a big thread out of this, but when people like BSbray like to lie, and want to blame everything on the U.S. i won't stand around and allow him to lie through his teeth.


Well, the knowledge that precursors were supplied by the Germans and the Fench built the facility at Samarra has been known since before GF1. But you would have to be completely naive to think Reagan and his various departments didn't know about it and what's more condone it. Back then it was defeat Iran at any price for embarrassing America.



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