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Iran finds US-backed MKO fingermarks in riots

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by shug7272

Originally posted by milesp
Not buying it!

The vanguard of these protests are college students and women. They have plenty of reasons to overthrow their ayatollah!

And of course state tv is going to blame this on the US.
Like what reasons, and please back them up with some sort of evidence like news stories or documented facts. I just dont see how they have it much worse off than LITERALLY 75% of the world.


Oh puhleease you are making my sides hurt with laughter. Iran is definitely in the top 10 worst places to live. The US has to be in the top 5 for sure.




posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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The US has to be in the top 5 for sure.


you have 2 weeks holidays every year,

your boss can fire you any minute without needing a purpose or giving you any indemnity

if you are sick and without cash, you just die, noone will help you because yeah that is the way it works in individualist society

the most of your public spending are intended to make war all around the world

these days you are losing hundreds of thousands jobs every month, thousands of families see their house taken by the banks, homeless shelters are full

fema camps are growing like mushrooms

to fix the situation your privately owned fed government allow your privately owned fed bank to print 1 trillion in favor of their other big banks and weapon makers bizness partners (so they can go on taking those housing of those middle-class people fired because there is no more real cash in the system because the fed and the big banks mess up on purpose since decades)

beautiful american dream...

top 5 ? :/

(fortunately you still have cnn so so many people around the world still believe in it)

edit:
and yeah i forgot the best part : you can be arrested anytime anywhere if there is a suspicion that you are a terrorist - no proof needed, no definition of what is a terrorist given - then you can be tortured legally and kept in custody without judgement or lawyer for an indefinite time

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 06:41 PM
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MKO = A Marxist Islamic outfit called the Mujaheddin el-Khalq, once allied with Saddam Hussein - Washington Post

The MKO endeared itself to US Intelligence forces in IRAQ after they turned over to the US locations of various nuclear assets in IRAN.

They have come a long way from 1970 "During the 1970s, the MEK killed US military personnel and US civilians working on defense projects in Tehran and supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran. "Source Link

A confidential source messaged me the following: That the Iranian Republican Guards consider the MKO an extremest terrorist organization and a cult and even asked some American and European anti-cult organizations for deprogramming help dealing with the MKO.

They currently reside and maintain a series of fortified strongholds in Iraq along the Iran border..



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Just started new thread where Iranian guardian council admits that over 100% voter turnout in some areas, therefore admitting election results a sham.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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Just started new thread where Iranian guardian council admits that over 100% voter turnout in some areas, therefore admitting election results a sham.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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AHHH!

The plot thickens!

4 members of Iranian cleric's family are freed

Reporting from Cairo and Tehran -- Iran's state-owned Press TV said four of the five family members of former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani have been released after being detained Saturday night, though his eldest daughter, Faezeh, was not among those freed.

Rafsanjani -- a senior cleric and an architect of the 1979 Islamic Revolution -- is a key backer of opposition leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi. Faezeh Hashemi was picked up Saturday after addressing a group of demonstrators protesting the disputed results of the June 12 presidential election.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Seriously some you are just mean. People are dying for their beliefs in Iran and you guys mock them? At least they are not hiding behind a computer screen pretending to make a change in the world.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by john124
Iran is definitely in the top 10 worst places to live. The US has to be in the top 5 for sure.



Wow! What a statement.

I don't know where you live. I've lived in close to a dozen countries, rich and poor. Traveled through dozens of others.

If you expect basic qualities of life like decent food, running water, public transport, and other amenities, as well as privacy and personal freedoms, the list of countries you would want to be is not that long.

Out of 192 autonomous states in the UN, half are what we used to call Third World. That means poor, oppressive, inhospitable, unhygienic, dangerous.

The US is pretty livable in most parts. You'd be more comfortable in the roughest parts of it's roughest cities than in 75% of the rest of the world.

For the Middle East, Iran is pretty good. Relatively civilized and fairly modern. The people are friendly, the economy is fairly buoyant, some beautiful scenery and the means to get to it unencumbered.

You can't judge countries on your interpretations of their foreign policies.


Mike



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by milesp
 

Exactly

As if the US and UK forced people into the streets to burn stuff. Give me a break. This only shows how delusional these people are. I mean they pretty much shut down all forms of communications so how exactly did the US and UK ferment this? What they really need to do is grow up and look at themselves and stop blaming everybody else for their own issues.



It seems that the powers that be in Iran have forgotten their own history. If you push people too hard they will inevitably push back. I think some there feel as if they have been backed into a corner with their backs to a wall. You know what they say about a cornered animal. You can control the some of the people some of the time but not all the people all of the time.



Are you aware that the US has already done exactly what you declare impossible? Ever heard of "Operation Ajax"? That in 1953, the US overthrew Iran's democratically elected government and installed a pro American dictator in it's place? That the US has done this countless times around the world, on our dime at that?



Allen W. Dulles, the director of central intelligence, approved $1 million on April 4 to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh," the history says.

"A shah-General Zahedi combination, supported by C.I.A. local assets and financial backing, would have a good chance of overthrowing Mossadegh," officials wrote, "particularly if this combination should be able to get the largest mobs in the streets and if a sizable portion of the Tehran garrison refused to carry out Mossadegh's orders."

The results of the Aug. 4 referendum were clearly rigged in his favor; The New York Times reported the same day that the prime minister had won 99.9 percent of the vote. This only helped the plotters, providing "an issue on which Mossadegh could be relentlessly attacked" by the agency-backed opposition press.

www.nytimes.com...

Doesn't this event from 1953 seem strangely familiar to current events? Wise up people, thinking that those who would benefit the most from this to not be involved is more than naive! They do the same things over and over throughout history, yet people still stand there in wonder?


en.wikipedia.org...

www.gwu.edu...

www.geocities.com...



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Yes I'm well aware of AJAX.
I never said nor implied it was impossible. Where have I stated that?

OK so let me get this straight though. You're saying the Iranians are too stupid or feeble minded to know what they want? That they cant possibly fight for their rights without it being a foreign CIA plot? Because In 1979 those very same type of people made a very similar choice. I say let them decide for themselves. But there are some around here who obviously think that no matter what happens it's all the Great Satans fault.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Sheeple? LOL - The news? MSM? ATS? LOL - I have family that lives in Iran. Here is my post on another Iran Prostest thread. As follows:

So now the crap begins LOL. Let's say it is true. If we did (CIA) support the Iranian protesters with 4 million dollars - so what. That money is nothing compared to what could happen to these people if they want to challange the world on a global bases. If I were a Iranian citizen I wouldn't want those in power looking for a useless unwinnable fight - no way - can you blame them.

Has anyone notice the protesters are not armed? I kind of think if they were it would be all over all ready. This is just a look at the future for America if we had to do the same to a corrupt government - dah!.

This whole Iranian protest stands for more than one issue. It gives us all a look at what can happen to a countries (government) morals and drive for peace and prosperity. I don't care how bad the unemployment is over there (reported 30%) - no in this world wants a nuclear war any more - them included.

Like I said - so what if we gave $4 million dollars (CIA) to the protesting cause? Think of the ending in the big picture? What would you personall want if you lived there? This war crap has to stop some place.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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So you post obvious propaganda and then run?

Why are you personally opposed to the Iranian People having fair elections and basic human rights. There is no middle ground to this. Only those who believe in freedom and those who serve Tyrants.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Jakes51
I found an interesting source that has been sitting in mothballs for the past year. The article is from the Washington Post. Apparently, last year, Seymor Hersch, reporting for the New Yorker Magazine uncovered evidence that the US may be in fact conducting covert operations in Iran proper. These were findings from the twilight of the Bush era and it is still unclear how extensive operations are under the Obama administration.

However. it states that the US earmarked 400-million to gather intelligence regarding the nuclear program and for fanning dissent among opposition groups in the Islamic Republic. Check the article below and I think this is a red herring we have all been looking for about the US involvement in the dissent currently taking place in Iran.

www.washingtonpost.com...


Great post, very important information.

But the term you are looking for is not "red herring," (false lead,)
it's "smoking gun" (proof of wrongdoing.)



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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Well considering Bush and friends had begun eying Iran intently towards the end of their reign. I couldn't help but suspect something like this. Man I hate this BS



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by milesp
Not buying it!

The vanguard of these protests are college students and women. They have plenty of reasons to overthrow their ayatollah!

And of course state tv is going to blame this on the US.


How do you think you get support for people to overthrow their government? You find the most disenfranchised group - and start muttering about the injustices enacted against them - you need to raise as much popular support as you can - then of course you find poor people - they are ALWAYS going to willing to act against the government - especially if you pay them.

It would be easy to do this in America - if a foreign power sent ten thousand or so agents to America and started a wholesale campaign against the current US government - organizing street marches and so on - how long would it take for armed revolution to take place?

I wish some other country WOULD do exactly that.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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Some of you in here aren't exactly saying this but you are hinting that living in iran is just like living in america or europe (I mean you are hinting that the governments here and in europe are just as bad as in iran)... lmao i dont know anyone in iran but im willing to bet daily life and life in general is a hell of a lot harder than living in the us or somewhere in europe. Considering in iran citizens are FORCED to do certain things and abide by EXTREME laws, I'd say we have it much easier... atleast for now.

And I seriously don't think you guys are supporting the iranian government but the things you say comes off as if you do. America isnt the only evil in the world, there is lots of other corrupt governments (pretty much EVERY government).



[edit on 21-6-2009 by jouseroni]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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When will we see American made IED's sart to be used against Iranian forces in Iran ?



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Not saying I can believe this, or the other posts about funding etc..

But I had a feeling somthing wasnt right before all of these stories broke.

Now seeing footage of protesters in NY..faking emotions and saying the U.S. needs to "help"...

was kindof strange also, I didnt hear about the elections that much prior to them and then bam Protests...

Im sure you could have found out about the elections if you really wanted to..but I dont think they plastered it all over like you would think considering the importance of such an election in a country we are suppose to be so worried about.

could this be the perfect subtle reason we use to enter Iran after all the talk in the past?



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Yes, the Blame America crowd is at it again. Why would you believe the "security officials" of Iran? How could you believe any of these Bozo,s? They work for a Theocratic Democracy ie: Dictatorship. They will always find a way to blame someone else for their problems, whether it be the US or Britain or Israel. Wake Up, don't believe everything you hear, look for proof....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 21-6-2009 by Oatmeal]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by bsbray11

Then I feel even more sorry for you, that's all.


Really?... i wonder why you have to feel sorry for me, perhaps you need a hug?



Originally posted by bsbray11
You're putting words in my mouth. I guess you think anyone who criticizes the government is "the enemy" too? Should lock them up in a camp? Hell, let's not even bother to vote anymore, we should just have our leaders appoint themselves and tell anyone who doesn't like it to leave. Right?


I wasn't puting any words in your mouth, you obviously wanted to claim that the U.S. has meddled the most with other countries, which shows nothing more than your hatred towards the same country you were born at, and ignorance of facts.



Originally posted by bsbray11
I don't care if it's the only government in the world and 75% of the population is perfectly happy and never has any problems whatsoever. You would have no progress without people such as me. You should be thankful that I am such a pain in so many asses, and so many others like me, or this country would be more degenerate than it already is, there is so much passivity, apathy, and ignorance.


So i should be thankful that you are ignorant of facts, yet you still want to blame most of the world's problems as being caused by the country where you were born?...

BTW, yes the U.S. is right now becoming more, and more dictatorial, and even though even Republicans have made things bad, it was the "Progressives" that ruined this country the most..

It was "the Progressives" through Woodrow Wilson who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, which is nothing more than a Socialist program for a few people to run part of the government, and take control of the U.S. banking.

Now the so called " Progressives" claim that Nationalizing even more the U.S. is going to solve everything... GM is nationalized, they are trying to nationalize healthcare too which at the end only causes more trouble, and gives those in power more control over Americans. So yeah, thank you so much "progressives"...

So keep cheering for the "progressives" all you want.




Originally posted by bsbray11
You insinuate the contrary by taking any criticism of the US government to mean I "hate it," which doesn't even make sense, unless you are biased and really think the US can do no wrong, is the best, just needs to be cut some slack, etc. That's why I pick on people like you, you think you are so above criticism. Of course you are going to take offense to criticism of your government, whereas originally our whole country was founded on dissent.


I see that you have always hated the U.S. because that's all you, and people like you do, blame everything on the United States, even when you are ignorant of all the facts. You don't blame anyone else, when you make comments about blaming anyone, all you do is blame the U.S.



Originally posted by bsbray11
It's actually the initials of my name, but I'll wait for any other jokes you have along those lines. You are probably so full of hate, you could come up with some good ones, so I might even read those first in your next post. I can't say I'll wait on your spelling to improve, though.



Oh well, maybe the universe was trying to tell you something.

BTW, I don't hate you, i have a sense of humor, and wit, apart from actually trying to find the truth instead of just blaming everything on the U.S. like you do...



Originally posted by bsbray11
You're telling me. And you probably think that helps your case. And it probably does.


Obviously you are not too smart either... That was in response to your "unwise" statement.... You obviously had no idea how to awnser, so you tried to give a response that you thought could fool me, but in fact it just reinforces that you would try to say anything, even when it makes no sense at all just trying to derail the fact that you hate the U.S. Or at least you used to hate it, since it is becoming the dream come true of "progressives" since it is now being transformed more into a Socialist dictatorship faster than ever before.



Originally posted by bsbray11
And where did I say that? I won't be waiting for an answer to that, either, because you are still putting words in my mouth.


You yourself wanted to claim the U.S. has meddle the most in other countries, so yes, you have admitted that you hate the U.S. with that statement, since it is not true.



Originally posted by bsbray11
Would you say Iran has "meddled" with more countries than the US has in modern times? Don't even answer that, because it was rhetorical and I know the very question offends you.


The only thing that offends me is the lies people like you try to pass for truth. That's the reason why I respond to people like you the way i do. Because when you try to talk about truth, all you say are lies.



Originally posted by bsbray11
Ok, once again you are intentionally avoiding all the things your own country has done, and is still doing, that YOU have a say in, whereas you DON'T have a say in what Germany does. I never said anything about the "#1" manufacturer, I just said WE DID IT TOO. And don't say I'm defending Germany now.. sigh....


You tried to claim the U.S. provided Iraq, and Iran with the same weapons they used against each other, which is a lie. First of all most weapons used by these two countries are of eastern origins, and all the mustrd gas, and other WMD that Saddam used against the Kurds was PROVIDED BY GERMANY...but again, the one trying to "intentionally avoid the truth" is you...



Originally posted by bsbray11
What lies? That we sold weapons to Iraq and Iran? Seriously, you are a joke. What lies?


Wow i guess that why Iraq and Iran were using eastern weapons, and not western weapons... I wonder why the main weapons used in the Middle East, and in fact in most conflicts in the world are either Russian, Chinese, or from eastern Europe..... The joke is on you pal... i guess that's why you were named BS Bray. The whoe universe is trying to tell you something yet you can't see what it is.



Originally posted by bsbray11
Man, if you are just going to start bringing up everything that I'm not even talking about and going on a rant that has nothing to do with anything, I can do that too. But it would be a waste of my time. Please stop putting words in my mouth, trying to read between my lines, acting like you know who I am and what I think when you obviously don't and are having a very hard time staying on subject.


Wow, lots of words to say nothing at all... Weren't you the one trying to claim it is only the U.S. who meddles the most with most countries?... Making wars and such?.... THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, which in fact is nothing more than lies and exagerations from BSbray who loves to lie about his own country and blames it for most, if not all problems in the world....



Originally posted by bsbray11
I take that as a "no"...


I gave you the awnser, yet you still want to claim, like some others that the U.S. is behind all problems in the world...


Originally posted by bsbray11
The question, btw, was, who has started unprovoked wars, has troops stationed all over the world, acts like the world police, etc., because you apparently think Iran is meddling with too many other countries in the world.


The UN has more troops and they have caused more deaths, and rapes around the world than the U.S. has ever done....

China actually invaded Tibet, and people are still murdered just for trying to escape...

Venezuela, Iran, and several are instigating wars all over the world to spread their "revolutions" and their propaganda, yet apart all this and more you still want to blame it all on the U.S.

I stand by what i said, you are a lying hypocrite, nothing more, nothing less.



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