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Iran finds US-backed MKO fingermarks in riots

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by jonny2410
I love you people who attack your own country so much


You should. You really, really should.

Without us, we would already have had Hitler's rotting corpse dug up out of his grave and sitting as our president, and everyone would still be waving their flags at his rotting body. You are all so mechanically predictable, you obviously understand nothing about mass psychology or why there are millions of people who just *happen* to think just like you. Oh, no, it's just because you're so smart, you're right, you know it all already, that's why America is so great and no one should ever criticize it. It's only logical, right?


I feel sorry for the Iranian people, they are run under a barbaric rule.


Yes, they are, and so are we, and I feel for you the same as I feel for them. You who associate yourself with your countries as if they are some part of your body, and take offense when they do wrong and don't want to hear about it, you are all lost and I pity you as I have to put up with what happens to our country as a direct result of you.


If you don't think cutting someones hand off for stealing and hanging you from a crane for adultery is barbaric then your simply brainwashed by your strange desire to hate the west.


If you think that's all they do over there, you are only emphasizing my point. You are totally ignorant of their lifestyle. I bet every single thing you have ever read about their country has been in English. And most of it from mainstream media, owned by companies like GE that happen to produce bombs for our military.


Its people like you who get under my skin


Good. I am here to stay. Let's see who moves out first.




posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Conspiracy theorists are HILLARIOUS sometimes hahahahahaha. Some of you guys are so freaking extreme and paranoid. I'm like the most liberal person I know and live in one of the most liberal places in all the states (bay area, california) but some peoples views are so freaking extreme. jees. And to you people who don't like america or britain or wherever you happen live... why don't you move to iran? hmmm?

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Are you doing anything to change the world? I'm willing to bet you don't do anything more than sitting on the computer arguing, not saying I do anything either, because I don't. I just don't like preachy people.


well missed indeed !

what did you bet ?

i've renounced carrierism in septembre 2001 (was working in the media sector as project manager, full money, but the feeling of being a beach since i have those ideas about truth...)

now i do the same for free for ngo project in rural area and slums of india (only locally managed projects, i'm not dealin with any international western /fake/ ngo)

what do you do ?
ah nothing (read too quickly) but repeating what tv tells you to think... good boy, you'll get you candies

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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not everything is a conspiracy - just face that for once - maybe just maybe not everyone is lying to you when they say Iran's rule is barbaric - just because FOX or BBC report on something in Iran does not make it immediately fake, false and biased.

OK sure some elements of the western news is biased but not all!! not everyone is lying to you - these things do happen in Iran - cutting off hands and public hangings - its backwards and will only isolate the country more.

The younger generationhave shown they want change, they don't want to live in a country that is isolated because of a backward and brutal regime.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BS bray. I am not in favour of the Communist regime in Cuba, so i don't see how you can claim i am in favour of the country i was born in...


So you are "from" Cuba? You currently reside there? Or you just trying to avoid my point, which is still valid? You are under the influence of Western political psychology, as are 99.99% of people, myself included.



Originally posted by bsbray11
I'm not biased in favor of ANY country, I think they ALL do thinks that are atrocious.


Again, BS, and this is really obvious by your next statement...


No, no, no. You can't think straight or fair for even half a second. The USA is not the greatest country in the world, poops gold, can do no wrong. In fact, that is not even a scientifically quantifiable statement. You take such offense at critical looks at the US government, you are obviously biased. There is nothing you can say about any government in the world that can offend me, yet it is very easy to hook you with these kinds of statements. You are so emotional.



Originally posted by bsbray11
Guess what country is meddling the most with others' affairs, taking it upon itself to regulate what everyone else is doing in the world, starting wars with unprovoked countries and without UN approval? Not Venezuela. Not Cuba. Not Iran.

Which country?


Chavez has been caught giving weapons


Sorry, try again. I said it ISN'T Venezuela, but I don't think you need any more hints. It's just so painful, ohhh so painful to answer my question in accordance with known facts. We sold weapons to both Iran and Iraq while they were at war with each other. Big whoop. That's par for the course.

Do you want to answer my question in accordance with the facts or are you just going to keep your fingers in your ears the whole time? Because if you are, if you can't look at your own country critically, only others, then I don't even need to waste my time talking to you. Go wave a flag while you listen to Bill O'Reilly, jingo.

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by ::.mika.::


Are you doing anything to change the world? I'm willing to bet you don't do anything more than sitting on the computer arguing, not saying I do anything either, because I don't. I just don't like preachy people.


well missed indeed !

what did you bet ?

i've renounced carrierism in septembre 2001 (was working in the media sector as project manager, full money, but the feeling of being a beach since i have those ideas...)

now i do the same for free for ngo project in rural area and slums of india (only locally managed projects, i'm not dealin with any international western /fake/ ngo)

what do you do ?

guess


Did i say I do anything? I plainly said I don't (also I'm only 20 years old, I haven't had much time to do ANYTHING in life, let alone change help to change the world). And why should I believe you, anyone on the internet can say they do that.... and especially when they are disagreeing with people, people on the net are known to make up things.

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by milesp
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Look, I don't really see why the La Times and BBC would need to mislead people with those pictures...

The real photos and videos on the internet speak for themselves.

That being said, Ahmadinejad's time in office has been defined by his combative stance towards 'the west'. He's been pretty popular because of it, and this rhetoric he's using now is to get his base riled up.

The fact that presstv is STATE OWNED MEDIA should tell us, the discerning public, that it can't really be a trusted source during such a volatile time.

Certainly, both sides are engaging in a propaganda war, but who is more credible at this point? The holocaust denying dictator and ayatollahs or the educated youth and women who are PUTTING THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE for freer lives?

At this point I back the protesters even if Ahmadinejad did win fair and square, which i doubt.

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The deal with the BBC is that it hates nationalist governments like Irans, so any whiff of socialism and bleeding-heart liberals will instantly strike a cord with them and have them against the nationalists no matter what lies they seek to ferment.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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Here here you speak sense, sometimes people need to take their conspiracy goggles off and just think - not everything is fake and biased - jeez the young people of Iran want change

I wouldn't be surprised if some people actually believe the protesters are american Iranian actors in a ploy by the "terrible US" to make Iran look awful.

Its embarrassing, really is



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by jonny2410
The younger generationhave shown they want change, they don't want to live in a country that is isolated because of a backward and brutal regime.


That is very true.

It's also true here in the US. I am equally tired of the hatred, intolerance, ignorance, hypocritical political maneuvering, all of it. Remember isolationism? Get the hell home and stop worrying about trying to invade every single country that looks at you cross ways. A lot of people are making a lot of money of these wars but it sure as hell isn't you or me, and this is OUR country. We have much worse problems in our faces here at home than protests in a foreign capital on the other side of the world. We have our own protests here now.

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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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So the fact that I suspect something fishy is going you assume I'm watching too much TV? You seem to want to argue, you need to get your facts straight before you spew out accusations. Did you see my post on page 3?

It's ok, I understand your upset and passionate about the issue. I'll over look this as an oversight.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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Did i say I do anything? I plainly said I don't. And why should I believe you, anyone on the internet can say they do that.... and especially when they are disagreeing with people, people on the net are known to make up things.

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yep i saw that - i've edited my post accordingly

so why do you ask if you don't want to believe ? i myself have nothing to prove but you've asked...

(get a grip)



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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I would say this situation is actually less prone to bias than ever before - news corportations cannot report in Iran so we are relying on Iranian people's news and views on the situation as well their own video.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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You must have some confusion about psychology if you think bias originates from photo and video evidence itself.

Bias comes from words, feelings, emotions, various expressions that are completely unfounded.


There are mass protests and even riots in the US all the time. How many of you take the opportunity to call for the overthrow of your own government on such occasions? Do our media figures ever call for the overthrow of our own government?



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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So the fact that I suspect something fishy is going you assume I'm watching too much TV? You seem to want to argue, you need to get your facts straight before you spew out accusations. Did you see my post on page 3?

It's ok, I understand your upset and passionate about the issue. I'll over look this as an oversight.



nope, i didn't, apologizes;
i guess i got confused with that arguement with that other guy, mixing everything up

i'm fully aware iran official media are doing their propaganda too, the thing is if you look into that MKO stuff over the web + the demonstration in paris, it is full of elements confirming that information : it is premedited to the advantage of western interest before the people
it is not a spontaneous move from the people (or maybe the rich occidentalized one that want to get back to business)



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:17 PM
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The only information we have is from Iranian People - their opinions on this matter and their views are being relayed back to the western world no matter what you say their is no doubt the majority of these people what Khameni out.

I mean killing protestors? Its a disgrace - take a look at the video of the girl Neda shot dead, only 16 - shows you what that regime is like (and before you say anything yes it has happened in the US, we all rememeber Kent State University in the height of 'Nam - its much worse in Iran).



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Those of you saying things like... "We keep causing the trouble" and Defending the Ayatollah really need to be ashamed of yourselves and look in the mirror.

400 Million IS aiding a revolution...

400 Million doesn't start a revolution

Nor does it get Millions of people to the streets... if 400 Million could do that, trust me the BILLIONS the former soviet Union spent trying to overthrow us would have worked...

Irans leaders are brutally repressing 40 Million young women, denying any kind of freedom, in our countries we are up in arms over things like street cameras that... actually have a use potentially.... while in Iran a woman can't show her face... you can't get information from outside your country legally, they did brutally just rig an election... and the simplest rights like i net access and movies are denied.

For millions of women the simplest thing... LOVE, to love who you choose is simply not allowed a life unbearable in the modern world.

We complain about things like the patriot act or phone tapping for words like BOMB

We cry here if a single freedom is eroded, even if it never effects us directly and... I can't say I have been affected

Yet some would say that 400 Million to AID, Millions of people who simply want to be able to... read and hear what they wish, not be molested by some old guy at 16 in an arranged marriage or forced to hide their face in shame is a bad idea...

We talk everyday in here about rebellion from the USA lol and the same people would advocate this...

Yet be so blind as to fail to see, that maybe our means and methods and leaders are far from perfect but we get to LIVE life every single day and what we are doing is simply RIGHT





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posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by oconnection
I believe in time we will find a good amount of evidence that supports the idea that the US, Britain, Israel, and perhaps others had a hand in the events occurring now in Iran.


I just viewed this post on ATS about possible CIA money, that of 400 million dollars inside Iran to evoke a revolution. The author questioned it's authenticity but this could possibly be the first drop in the bucket.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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Ya and this Ayatollah or Supreme Holy Leader is promising bloodshed if these "demonstrations" don't stop; So how's that for irony? A holy man that preaches bloodshed quite a parodox. Also I haven't heard Mousavi make nearly as radical and rediculous statements as Ahmadinejad. So as the old saying goes I'll take the lesser of two evils.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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Good point - i would like to see these people defending the current regime actually go and live in Iran and see it for themselves. For a start there would be no ATS lol.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:24 PM
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Just as I had said in my previous post and if we're funding the protests I actually feel like we may be doing the right thing for once. Has anyone taken into account the statements made by Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah they're absolutely promising bloodshed and protestors are dieing daily now. For once can everybody get off their high horses and being so civilized as to not want to help a country with racist rulers? Have you all really bought into this madness that much? Come on America grow a pair, PLEASE! Star.


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