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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 10:27 AM by Jakes51

I found an interesting source that has been sitting in mothballs for the past year. The article is from the Washington Post. Apparently, last year, Seymor Hersch, reporting for the New Yorker Magazine uncovered evidence that the US may be in fact conducting covert operations in Iran proper. These were findings from the twilight of the Bush era and it is still unclear how extensive operations are under the Obama administration.

However. it states that the US earmarked 400-million to gather intelligence regarding the nuclear program and for fanning dissent among opposition groups in the Islamic Republic. Check the article below and I think this is a red herring we have all been looking for about the US involvement in the dissent currently taking place in Iran.

www.washingtonpost.com...

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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 10:36 AM by tristar

reply to post by clay2 baraka

What you pointed out is not what i am referring to. Creeping tide is linked to a report four years prior to the invasion of Kuwait and is a report which is currently up to date including N.Korea. Four intelligence agency's supply information to this report and is an outline of how things are to be directed, implemented and executed.

There is one other member on ats who by all indications may have knowledge of this report.

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 11:01 AM by lpowell0627

I really don't understand why you find it so hard to believe that a few hundred thousand Iranians actually want freedom - and democracy - and change - and reform?

I'm not saying that any other country, especially the US, should step in and do anything.

I'm just saying that it is possible that there are Iranians that want change. Period.

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 11:03 AM by ZindoDoone

I find it intriguing that no mention of Russia nor China has been made in reference to unrest and meddling when they have just as much of a vested interest in the area as the US or UK does. Since the Uk and US are being blamed for anything and everything in the area it would behoove Putin and his Chinese counterpart to foment unrest there to put more heat on our tarnished image. We in the US and our brethren in the UK aren't the only group playing in the sand box here folks!

Zindo

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 11:09 AM by HunkaHunka

reply to post by MegaCurious

Dude, this is propaganda straight from the administration run news outlets...

I don't believe this for a second...

And then you ask why the Iranian people would want to overthrow the Ayatollah? Are you serious?

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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 11:13 AM by jimmyx

Originally posted by spearhead
reply to post by MegaCurious

no better way to cause iran grief than stir a civil dookey storm.

the cia at its best, mi6, just a pest, bow down iran, your now a slave to the west...

...and isreal.

yeah... and everybody is sure that no torture was used to extract these "TRUTHS", c'mon people...hello...our own recent history makes these stories shady at best. look, i wouldn't put it past the CIA to be in Iran causing havoc, but it's hard to believe the vote was even close to being accurate in the first place.

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 12:14 PM by UmbraSumus

reply to post by MegaCurious

I don`t doubt that there are various groups providing both moral and actual support to those attempting to topple the Iranian leadership.

But i would take any "confession" , with a grain of salt.

I would imagine that good cop / bad cop routines were dispensed with , and they just got down to the nasty business of extracting a confession.

There is manipulation of information taking place left/right/ & centre .
But why would I expect it to be any other way .

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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 12:24 PM by clay2 baraka

Originally posted by tristar
reply to post by clay2 baraka

What you pointed out is not what i am referring to. Creeping tide is linked to a report four years prior to the invasion of Kuwait and is a report which is currently up to date including N.Korea. Four intelligence agency's supply information to this report and is an outline of how things are to be directed, implemented and executed.

There is one other member on ats who by all indications may have knowledge of this report.

Are you referring to this report here?

There was limited intelligence suggesting Iraqi attempts to expand its missile programme, to lay the foundations of a revived nuclear programme, and to develop facilities which could be used for chemical and biological programmes. In the background, there was the well-established history of Iraq's weapons programmes from well before the first Gulf war and their use in action both against Iran and Iraq's own people. More immediately, there was growing intelligence and consequent concern about proliferation in other countries as well, for example the expanding information about the extent of the AQ Khan network. This led to fears of what one witness called a "creeping tide" of proliferation

www.acronym.org.uk...

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:04 PM by SLAYER69

Freedom craving 'fuelling Iran unrest'

The Iranian leadership is falling into the same trap that their arch-enemy the Shah of Iran fell into in the 1970s.

They are not listening to the people.

After a meeting with Shah Reza Pahlavi, the US ambassador William Sullivan complained: "The king will not listen."

Republicans urge Obama to get tougher on Iran

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama should take a firm stand to support the street protests that have engulfed Iran since its disputed June 12 presidential election result, U.S. Republican senators said on Sunday.

"He's been timid and passive more than I would like," said Senator Lindsey Graham on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" television news program.

That's exactly why the US should stay out of the situation.
Let the Iranians decide for themselves and only later if they want an open relationship with the west and the US then by all means we should at that point support them. But if we do anything too soon we will be accused of trying to set up another puppet Government.

There will be those who no matter what happens will say on either side the US has done the wrong thing

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:14 PM by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Let the Iranians decide for themselves and only later if they want an open relationship with the west and the US then by all means we should at that point support them. But if we do anything too soon we will be accused of trying to set up another puppet Government.

Thats right on the money as far as i`m concerned .

Operation Ajax ......... is still fresh in the minds of most Iranians .

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:25 PM by pexx421

Come on people. Is our history of constant meddling in other peoples elections, in attempted coups, in colored revolutions, completely forgotten? Bush stated outright that he allocated 4 billion for the destabilization of Iran during his term, and congress approved it. Where do you think that money went, that it just disappeared? This isnt debated, it was said openly and plainly!! It is just this sort of action that we are notorious for in places like venezuela, cuba, haiti, columbia/panama, philipines, greece, etc. What makes any of you think we are different now? The only american polls run right prior to the election had ahmadinajad winning by a landslide, and he did. But his opponent announced his own victory 2 hours before the polling was even done. This has all the features of classic american disruption and intervention.

I wont necessarily state that we DID intervene, but i certainly wouldnt deride the possibility the way you all are.

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:50 PM by seataka

Originally posted by Jakes51
I found an interesting source that has been sitting in mothballs for the past year. The article is from the Washington Post. Apparently, last year, Seymor Hersch, reporting for the New Yorker Magazine uncovered evidence that the US may be in fact conducting covert operations in Iran proper. These were findings from the twilight of the Bush era and it is still unclear how extensive operations are under the Obama administration.

However. it states that the US earmarked 400-million to gather intelligence regarding the nuclear program and for fanning dissent among opposition groups in the Islamic Republic. Check the article below and I think this is a red herring we have all been looking for about the US involvement in the dissent currently taking place in Iran.

www.washingtonpost.com...

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Thanks for this Jakes51, Ill add a link to your posting from THIS thread about the CIA choregraphed uprising in Iran.

If Iran were to finance massive street protests in the USA, that would easily be considered an act of WAR.

But then think about it, considering the current economic meltdown and it will get far worse very shortly, - the historical solution to such problems is and always has been WAR.

"Won't be fooled again!"

USA's man behind the "Iranian" revolution ATS LINK

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 01:50 PM by resist2012

Well what did you expect? We need to justify the upcoming war with Iran. Start unrest, in response to a rigged election, start the turmoil, cause the violence, start the unrest, let the government lose control, start the mass slaughter of the opposition to the current regime, and BAM! you got yourself a ticket into a brand new war. Oh, and don't forget the weapons of mass destruction

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:04 PM by amyfriend

reply to post by ZindoDoone

reply to post by ZindoDoone

huggs!!

very good point,,,,,!!!!

when one actually thinks,,,they(china and others) got spies and covert operations/programs as well,,,,,
we all know china loves to sneak and peek into file cabinents with confidential/secret information.....

friendly nations even spy/snoop on eachother....

we could blame china/russia for this as well,, and they were behind this to make us look bad.....

but from what I seen..theres a lot of people fed up...

i cried when i seen the girl asssinated/murdered...
I can understand why theres not more taking to the streets.

huggs

amy

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:07 PM by lpowell0627

reply to post by pexx421

If there were a Republican in office right now, I would without a doubt say that this was orchestrated.

But do you really think Obama has the "hutzpa" to carry an operation like this out? Plus, from what I've seen from Obama so far he is going to allow the CIA the wiggle room (so to speak) that was afforded them in the past. I think Obama runs a tight ship and anyone stepping out of line would bear his wrath.

Unless, of course this was retribution by the CIA for his releasing the torture memos.

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:15 PM by SLAYER69

reply to post by amyfriend

Very good point.

Everybody is suspect.

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:21 PM by LaMano

i don't want to give just another "opinion" if you can buy this or not, but it reminded me somehow at this here, starting at 0:45:

YouTube Link

full article:

Soldiers caught red-handed in basra

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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:34 PM by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by MegaCurious

I figured that something was fishy about the "demonstrations".

This Moussavi dude doesn't take losing elections very lightly either.

Why these folks would want to over throw their "Ayatollah" is totally beyond me. No news source has given a valid reason for that. But after Obama chimed in with his "will of the people" nonsense, then something just clearly didn't feel right.. because America never follows the "will of the people"

www.presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

The cia probably filmed it too to allow us to see how " real " it is.

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:43 PM by BioChemMatt

Is it just me or is ron pauls "what if" speech starting to look like a prophecy. Our nation is going to crumble just like the romans/greeks because they to had the quest for expanding their empire.

Ron Pauls - What If Speech

reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:44 PM by Dukesy

reply to post by MegaCurious

Are you kidding? - you beleive that spying interfering garbage LOL. You personally do not think that the Iranian government is not holding hostages at will or torturing people? - give me a break please. You need a reality check my friend and you need to watch the news.

By the way did you notice that the Iranian citizens are not armed at all except for rocks and sticks. Oh - let's not mention that a lot woman are also protesting and putting their live on the line. Do you think that the Iranian people like the idea of their countries government challenging the world on a nuclear scale. It is insanity at its best.

For the most part - the globe is smarting up to governments that drive thier citizens into wars for crappy reasons including our country. There is no reason in this mordern age for starvation / no shelter / wars period / religous bs for countless lives being lost. You tell me - do you think it is about time the people of the globe stop the carnage? Get your head out of your behind.

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