Sighting during the Istanbul New Age And UFO Conference - 06/14/2009, page 1
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reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 03:12 AM by Sam60
reply to post by necati


I just looked up the weather observations for Instabul on June 14.

At 1630 (the time of the video of the first object) the wind was NNW 23 kmph.

in.weather.com...

You mention you think the first object resembles a balloon. I guess it does. Also, that's windy enough to get it moving along pretty quickly.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by Sam60]


reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 03:44 AM by Sam60
reply to post by Chadwickus


Who's to say all that lot in the crowd were UFO experts? Maybe they were just hanging around the guy with the camera because he's becoming a celebrity of sorts over there.

As proof, check out the blonde groupie waving at the camera!

[edit on 21-6-2009 by Sam60]


reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 06:22 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by Sam60



Very true.

I guess the only one who we know was there was Antonio Urzi who filmed it.


reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 12:27 PM by free_spirit
Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to
post by Sam60



Very true.

I guess the only one who we know was there was Antonio Urzi who filmed it.


Then you didn't recognize Yalcin Yalman the famous turkish skywatcher. He is the first
person to appear in the video at start, check again he is holding his videocamera.



reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 05:07 PM by necati
Originally posted by ufoenthusiast
Thanks for posting the video. Good footage.

......the original footage caught by Yalcin Yalman was analyzed and authenticated at TUBITAK -- The Scientific & Technological Research council of Turkey?..........


Apart from the fact that this thread isn’t about the Kumburgaz sightings I wonder if you ever read the TUBITAK report.

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The so often quoted TUBITAK report is merely a preliminary examination (01/31/2008) which only btw refers to the prior sightings and as far as I know hasn’t be renewed for the recent footage.
It only expressly points out (3) that it is neither CGI nor some kind of footage filmed in a studio.
It also states (4) that it is dubious that the time code switches from PM to AM.
It says (5) that because of the lack of reference no particulars can be made regarding location, distance, size or the nature of the object itself.

It concludes that even if the footage is analysed in detail it can’t be definitely decided what the object is. It points out that it would be necessary to film other objects under the same circumstances using special equipment for comparison. The term UFO can be used to describe the object but this definitely doesn’t mean that it is a flying saucer of extraterrestrial origin.

Prof. Dr. Zeki Eker has been quoted in the news media saying that it could well be a hoax but that it can neither be proven nor disproven with the given footage.

Quote:‘Birisinin şakası da olabilir. Ama bu görüntülerin şaka olup olmadığı da ispatlanamaz'


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 02:36 AM by necati
reply to post by ufoenthusiast





] By the way, in your other post you mentioned that Dr. Zeki Eker said it was possible that it was a hoax. But in the TUBITAK report, it says that it was definitely not CGI or a model, and that the footage was genuine.


I think you’re missing the point here. As I have said the whole analysis is nothing but merely a preliminary examination (01/31/2008) which says that because of the lack of reference no particulars can be made regarding location, distance, size or the nature of the object itself.
After having made this conclusion I find it strange to say the least, to conclude that it is no model.
I don’t know how much they would have charged for further examination and to film other objects under the same circumstances using special equipment for comparison.
However, Mr. Akdoğan and/or his organisation seems to have made no further (financial) efforts to let them investigate a little further and rather decided to keep the money.

Your reasoning is quite funny, you firstly refer to the TUBITAK as an authority which backs up the authenticity of the footage but then you don’t wonder why they aren’t convinced by the filmed objects to be some craft with occupants as you are. They don’t seem to be that much impressed by the overwhelming evidence either.

If Prof. Dr. Zeker is the authority you refer to then go ask him what else it possibly might be.



So um yeah, lol... my question is, what other possible way could they have "hoaxed" this then? What, did they fly a remote controlled hover craft and record it with a camera? Oh wait, let me guess, it's just a superior mirage illusion caused by an old saucer test craft that sunk into the ocean during WWII but floated back up to the surface recently. Those pesky old ships!


You have a vivid fantasy. Unfortunately this is your problem not mine. You should use it creatively writing books or drawing.

I don’t believe the TUBITAK report (which as I mentioned was and is only preliminary) that it can’t be a model used in a way which creative minds like yours have filmed in some way.
Again, if they can’t make any statement regarding location, distance or size, how are they able to say it is conclusively no model???



And ofcourse Dr. Eker, the director of a prestigious, state-run scientific institute isn't going to come out and say, "yeah, it's definitely of extraterrestrial origin," because he certainly has no proof to make that claim. HOWEVER, let us take a closer look at some of the occupants inside, shall we?


I’d rather not – I’m scared to death! Have you tried to estimate their size?
I neither have your fantasy nor your medication. It’s useless to try identifying some alleged occupants from a cluster of pixels.

Btw where is the original footage (uncut) which was supposed to be made public?
I’d like to blow up some pixels myself, if I may - adding some of the missing time in the footage, deciding whether the frames in question are relevant or not.

As your nickname implies dear “ufoenthusiast” you are a little too enthusiastic - try to be more sober instead.

Regards


[edit on 22-6-2009 by necati]


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 04:22 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by free_spirit



Nope I didn't recognise him I'm afraid to say.

Thanks for pointing it out!




reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 04:23 AM by ufoenthusiast
Originally posted by necati

I’d rather not – I’m scared to death! Have you tried to estimate their size?
I neither have your fantasy nor your medication. It’s useless to try identifying some alleged occupants from a cluster of pixels.

Btw where is the original footage (uncut) which was supposed to be made public?
I’d like to blow up some pixels myself, if I may - adding some of the missing time in the footage, deciding whether the frames in question are relevant or not.

As your nickname implies dear “ufoenthusiast” you are a little too enthusiastic - try to be more sober instead.


Yeah, you just confirmed something I suspected a while ago: you're an idiot. I like it when idiots reveal themselves unintentionally, it really makes things easier for me.

The first picture of the occupant is enhanced, zoomed in and cropped, which is why the date is missing (same goes for the last one). The source picture was released directly by Haktan Akdogan a few weeks ago from the latest 2009 sighting. This picture can be seen
here. I used the zoomed in image in the top right hand corner to make further enhancements. The original enhancements were made by Haktan Akdogan at his research institute directly from the source footage. You cannot expect to see anything from using footage that has been uploaded to the internet because the resolution has deteriorated. Did you understand that? Read it over and over until it transcends your thick skull.

About their sizes -- you know what? These sightings are happening in Turkey. Iraq borders Turkey to the southeast. Iraq is the country where ancient Sumeria was located in. And what borders Turkey to the southwest & northeast? The Mediterranean and Black Seas; the seas where Atlantis has long been speculated to have sunk in. Both ancient Sumeria and Atlantis are cities that have been consistently linked to extraterrestrials (Reptilians/Annunaki). I'm not saying that these are definitely the infamous "Annunaki" we're seeing, but it would sure make sense if they were considering they were supposedly GIANTS.
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