Tanks Rolling into Tehran, page 8

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Placation and submission is Obama's game plan when dealing with governments like Iran. He's already started this with Venezuela and Palestine, one of Iran's biggest benefactors. Remember the American voting public wants the other countries of the world to love the U.S., and the only way to guarantee this in his mind is by this game plan.

In Tehran, a Moment For Obama to Seize

By Jim Hoagland


The most serious challenge that Iran's Islamic rulers have ever faced caught President Obama and many European leaders by surprise. Their intelligence agencies did little to prepare them for a national catharsis that pits a combustible mixture of youthful protesters and political opportunists against Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
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By threatening and then delivering repression blessed by his religious authority, Khamenei has turned an election dispute into a crisis of legitimacy for a regime that claims to be divinely inspired. Obama's decision to stay out of the limelight is paying off by keeping the focus on those who cheat and maim Iranians

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Why should the U.S intervene in this revolution? Let the people rise and fight for what they believe in. If the U.S. steps in, the revolution would likely be stopped... Do you really think the hardliners are not going to fight being overthrown? Its an extremist country, if they lose their grip through religious control, they lose everything. Iranians seem to be tired of living under hardline, oppressive rules, but the people have to fight and be willing to die for what they believe in for the revolution to be won. I don't live in Iran, I don't know the true outcome of the election, but the Supreme Leader could have avoided all of this by redoing the election...Its clear they don't want to let the reigns go. The best American citizens can do is watch and learn, and take note that if the time comes again where a match has to be lit against our government, ( which has wayyyyyy to much control and power) then that match should be used to light 300 million more. Eventually a time will come where other nations will have to lean in and say enough is enough, but damn near total collapse has to occur in a hardline nation before that happens.... Its funny how 6 people I've talked to about this have noted how evil Islam is, how corrupt and twisted the Aya and his crew of clerics are and in the same breath tell me that at least America is a good christian country..... religion needs to be kept out of politics, bottom line. Even the signers of the DOI saw this. They promised that anyone could come here and worship any God they wanted to, but the political system would run on just and fair laws and rights, and most of them were atheist. I don't know much about Musavi, I hope he's easier for the world to work with.

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It's not placation and submission, it's staying out of other people's fights and not picking new ones. The US has NO authority to dictate how Venezuela, Iran or any other government conducts its business. They are independent nations, not US territories. Not having diplomatic relations with a country is a recipe for disaster, do you realize how many Iranian-Americans and their dependents are trapped there right now because no embassy can get them out? The whole point of politics is to settle issues without bloodshed, regardless of who you have to go through to get there. The fact is, terrorist organizations play central roles in many foreign governments and dealing with them is inevitable.

I think Obama recognizes the same idea someone else mentioned in another way above. If the US intervenes to establish a new government it would be automatically viewed as a US puppet and lose credibility with its people (and the other Muslim countries) right out of the box. Not to mention the American public would be too busy screaming "conspiracy" and "NWO" to lend any type of moral support. And everyone would agree the CIA started the whole thing for oil control. A no win proposition.


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Totaly agree with you... the shah was a perfect example. This is Irans revolution to overthrow the revolution.

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And this is why we won't do anything above proposing U.N. resolutions and BBQs with the Iranians in this matter, just as I stated before.

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Democracy isn't great for everyone, and it's not the U.S.'s palce to force it on other nations. Of course int's in ourgovernments best to take notice....It's in the entire worlds governments to take notice, but it's not our place to intervene and say " Hey Iran, since ya got the wheels of revolution going, turn 'em towads democracy" Thats our governments problem now, we can't stay outta other countries situations. We need to take care of our domestic problems before we continue to put our fingers in the world cookie jar.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
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Placation and submission is Obama's game plan when dealing with governments like Iran. He's already started this with Venezuela and Palestine, one of Iran's biggest benefactors. Remember the American voting public wants the other countries of the world to love the U.S., and the only way to guarantee this in his mind is by this game plan.

And if we stick our noses into this what will happen? We will simply undermine the legitmacy of the protesters in the eyes of the Iranians and the rest of the middle east. No, I'm sorry this is one that the Iranians themselves will have to handle. I pray that a wave of sanity will overcome all parties there but sadly the current leadership is not one founded in reason. I fear the anger of the protesters will never overcome the zealotry of those who oppose them.

Still I hope that reason may yet prevail.

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I'd be wary about FOX, it's a Republican-owned company that supports the military complex and is very pro-oil industry. They of all companies would be the most likely to intentionally broadcast propaganda to push for war. A former classmate of mine is a producer for them and I look forward to hearing about their planning meetings when I see him next month.

Originally posted by FredT
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Tanks battling irregular forces in an urban setting have faired poorly actually. Just ask the IDF about the use of tanks in packed Gaza cities. last time they made signifigant changes to thier tactics and supported them from the air and ground. Might not be the case here.

No comparison, they aren't fighting irregulars they are moving to intimidate the protestors. The Iranian population has not the weaponry to take on tanks, not to mention the supporting infantry.
The Iranians know all about warfare in urban environments, they were quite successful against US forces in Iraq.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

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Those social events sound trite but a hell of a lot of networking goes on there, it's easy to deride them if we don't how many positive developments come out of them that we'll never hear about. People are far more likely to work cooperatively with people they have personal relationships with than a stranger, that's just human nature.

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